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1 posted on 11/30/2004 5:15:15 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36

I agree, but you'd have to have a political party that gives a sh!t to do anything about it.


2 posted on 11/30/2004 5:19:29 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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To: philman_36

Just to make sure I got it right: the actions of this huge omnipotent 'Bureaucracy" are both unified and conspiratorial?


4 posted on 11/30/2004 5:48:58 AM PST by silverdog (Let's leave the grown-ups in charge.)
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To: philman_36
there is a movement, with all of the "each vote counts" hullabaloo and the calls for the removal of the Electoral College

The 2004 American League Championship Series was won by the Yankees:
10-07
03-01
19-08
04-06
04-05
02-04
03-10
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45-41

The Yankees scored 4 more runs than the Red Sox.

5 posted on 11/30/2004 5:50:24 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: philman_36
If bureaucracy scares you think how you will feel when you study NGO's (Non Government Organizations) which are privatized outsourced bureaucracy by another name.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving, for example, is heavily funded by government grants (in at least one state-North Carolina) but operates as a private non-profit lobby for every feel good form of government management it can feasibly support.

Thus, checkpoints, seatbelt laws, child safety seats, etc.( regardless of public perceptions of their value) are all supported by a quasi-government organization lobbying government for implementation.

Any honest real market need would not require support from a government treasury not to mention conflict of interest aspects. (Should an organization which benefits from government grants be allowed to advocate positions that clearly benefit government bureaucracies?)

Best regards,

9 posted on 11/30/2004 6:01:33 AM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: philman_36
that peril is Bureaucracy

Some might argue that the Founders purposely created a form of government that wouldn't be subject to the whims and mob mentality of a democracy. By doing so, they created a government that has been more or less stable for better than 225 years. How many other countries can really say that?

While I don't think the Founders had an inefficient bureaucracy in mind, the stability part is certainly there.

10 posted on 11/30/2004 6:07:06 AM PST by Lou L
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To: philman_36

Not to be picky.....but it's a representative democracy.


13 posted on 11/30/2004 6:19:23 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: philman_36

Consider that those who run for office are egotistical in nature. Sure, many have hopes, but it's really a personal fulfillment thing to run for office, get elected, and weild and use power. There are no selfless beings in office.

The people (voters and squeaky wheels) naturally create the Bureaucracy from the gathering of egos. Calls of "I want this, and I want that" (shrimp museums in Kansas, a guy who sits around and knows everything there is to know about potatoes) feeds the ego of the politician ("he's a hero!"), and the expansion of the Bureaucracy in the form of new agencies and additional staff.

It's sort of a self-sustaining entity, but involves many players, not just politicians.

I'm sure that the collection of data and such was brought upon us by some sort of initial citizen's group inquiry or demand that simply grew into the monster it is today. I call it the Curse of the Ignorant Masses.


17 posted on 11/30/2004 7:02:21 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: philman_36

I didn't make my point clear. You have no idea how happy I would be if gov't employees were all smart enough to operate a conspiracy to oppress the citizenry and efficient enough to keep it a secret.


19 posted on 12/01/2004 4:14:41 AM PST by silverdog (Let's leave the grown-ups in charge.)
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