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Not in the mood for guests: The president fights with his own party over immigration reform
US News ^ | 12/6 issue | Angie C. Marek

Posted on 11/29/2004 9:14:20 PM PST by Cableguy

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To: Reagan Man
Obviously, you're not very bright.

I am very bright. That is why my daddy called me sunny.

61 posted on 11/29/2004 10:58:49 PM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: Irrelevant

LOL....

I had forgotten about that.


63 posted on 11/29/2004 11:00:44 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Cableguy

Bush needs to remember to represent American citizens over illegal invaders. Can't believe he needs the congress to remind him of that fact.

I'm really proud of this congress. Maybe finally something will get done. Texas is already 50/50 split between immigrants and citizens. It's becoming a harsh environment.


64 posted on 11/29/2004 11:04:37 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: cRazYDaVe

Bush don't have enough Capital to spend on this Problem. The AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT THEIR BORDERS CONTROLLED--- REMEMBER WE ARE AT WAR!!!

Don't understand your Critique, Never used the Phrase "while we are at war". "Remember we are at war" I meant to be facetious.

I wholeheartedly agree with you as far as controlling the borders at all times. This includes both North and Southern Borders.


65 posted on 11/29/2004 11:31:34 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: Cableguy
Work and pray for the utter defeat of Bush on this issue. Tell our "leaders" what you think of this amnesty betrayal.

Congressional switchboard: 1-877- 762-8762
White House comments: 1-202-456-1111
66 posted on 11/30/2004 3:09:20 AM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: All
As I understood the President's position on this, he LIKED the House version of the bill; then to quote: "The weekend before Thanksgiving, the Senate members of the conference committee devised a compromise that excluded the worst of the anti- immigrant House provisions but kept several "border security" measures that both bodies could agree on-- mainly an increase in the number of border patrol agents and a mandate for federal agencies to devise minimum standards for driver's licenses.

This was not enough for Representative Sensenbrenner (R-WI) who insisted on the inclusion of harsh asylum provisions and additional driver's license provisions that would forbid states to issue licenses to undocumented immigrants and other legal immigrants. He was joined by House Republican Duncan Hunter (R-CA) who objected to shifting intelligence authority and resources from the Pentagon to other agencies. Due to their objections, the compromise was pulled. After the compromise was rejected, the White House promised to engage in a full blown effort to get a bill this year. The conference committee leadership also wants a bill. The pressure is mounting and Representative Sensenbrenner is not backing down.

Congress comes back for a short session on Dec. 6th to vote on an intelligence reform bill if the conference committee can come to an agreement. We need to make sure that the White House, conference committee leadership, the majority of conferees and your own senators and representatives (who will have to vote again on the measure) do not give in to Representative Sensenbrenner's demands. "

Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1290710/posts?page=2#2


The President wants A BILL TO SIGN, but I understand he wanted the House version, NOT A TOOTHLESS plan. And honestly,we must continue to call to make sure that Sensenbrenner and the WH understands we do not want amnesty or D/L's for illegals.
67 posted on 11/30/2004 3:47:14 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

A QUESTION FOR ALL WHO COME TO THIS PAGE:
Will we still be the "Country of Choice" and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that come to live in America because we have made America the "Country of Choice"?


68 posted on 11/30/2004 4:26:59 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Prime Choice

We need to clean house of all illegal aliens here before we can even begin to consider anything of the guest worker he is suggesting.

I am of course opposed to any type of amnesty or guest worker program of any kind.


69 posted on 11/30/2004 4:32:51 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

>>Or not liking single family homes becoming multi-family dwellings and thus making the quality of life in my neighborhood sink<<

If you know of any single family homes that have become multi-family dwellings, go down to your local tax office and ask what the multi-family dwelling is being taxed as, single or multi.

If it is wrongly taxed, notify the assessor with a notarized letter.

RATTLE THEIR CAGES! MAKE LIFE DIFFICULT FOR YOUR LOCAL OFFICIALS!

You would be surprised what you can do with these notarized letters.


70 posted on 11/30/2004 4:38:20 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Once-Ler

>>Guess you can't think of a downside either huh? <<

Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That’s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.

If you haven’t had a heart attack by now, you’ll need Tums after this figure. The average head of household illegal alien costs you $2,700.00 in welfare money over and above any taxes he or she pays in their meager paying jobs. With 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the USA, that figures exceeds $20 billion of your tax dollars. (Source: Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004)
With a minimum of 15 million illegal aliens in our country, these figures are the tip of the iceberg. Average bilingual education is $1,200.00 per illegal alien student. Get this! We educate 1.1 million illegal alien children each year. Do the math! Ready for another anvil dropped on your toe fact? You paid $27 billion to provide forms, ballots, interpreters and brochures for languages other than English in 2003.

An estimated one-third to one-half illegal aliens work off the books. It costs $200 million to provide for emergency health care for illegal aliens in the Border States annually. California with over three million illegals paid $79 million, BUT four of their major LA hospitals bankrupted and shut their doors in 2004. Texas with 1.5 million illegal aliens paid $74 million in hospital care. Who is Texas? You, the taxpayer, that’s who! Because you, in your state, pay commensurate medical care according to your illegal alien population. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits to their Grady Health Care system in 2002. In the same year, Georgia taxpayers paid $27 million for 11,188 anchor baby hospital births. Georgia taxpayers paid a whopping $242 million for educating illegal alien kids in 2003. What is it in your state?

What are the consequences? One in two adult African-Americans in New York is unemployed. African-American children’s poverty grew by 50 percent since 1999. Why? Their dads can’t find work.

It costs you, the taxpayer, $68 billion a year JUST to pay for the resettlement of legal immigrants.

Fellow Americans, we are $7.384 trillion in debt as of November 1, 2004. This year’s budget deficit exceeds $413 billion. Our trade deficit stands at $400 billion. Our consumer debt exceeds $2 trillion and our average credit card carries an $8,000.00 balance. Our U.S. government borrows $1.6 billion daily from foreign banks, just to stay afloat. Have you ever heard of the Titanic? We are taking on heavy immigration numbers while we’re being financially bled to death. Are we in trouble or what?

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=8871


71 posted on 11/30/2004 4:46:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Once-Ler

>>even though the law has changed their motivations were never about law but race.<<

"even though the law has changed "

Cites the changes, please.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_II.html

"their motivations were never about law but race"

When you start to lose the debate bring out the fact that we are a bunch of racist, profiling SOB's and you will have won! Good strategy. /s


72 posted on 11/30/2004 4:52:12 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: Once-Ler

Your Daddy calls you sunny because he can see right through you.


73 posted on 11/30/2004 4:55:13 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: TomGuy

Is Bush/Rove deaf or just stupid?




6 posted on 11/30/2004 12:34:27 AM EST by TomGuy


Neither, Bush is simply pushing his New World Order agenda. Isn't that obvious by now? The sovereignty of the USA is not a concern of his. Is he even talking about it ? No, and we all know talk is cheap.


74 posted on 11/30/2004 4:55:58 AM PST by millefleur (Bush has no mandate to give away America to Mexico)
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To: Once-Ler

Need to clean house of illegal/undocumented people from everywhere first. It is discriminatory to sweep only mexicans. Then start a guest worker porgram. Otherwise, it is just another amnesty. Rewarding crimiinals???? NO WAY.


75 posted on 11/30/2004 4:56:55 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: Once-Ler

I like workers who want to work. I don't see a down side to this plan and I think it will make it easier to capture illegals who are not registered to work.


15 posted on 11/30/2004 12:51:18 AM EST by Once-Ler (

One problem though Once-Ler, the illegals cannot make a living wage at what they are doing even if granted amnesty. They must rely on public assistance, welfare etc and are a NET LOSS to the community. Especially when you toss in the added COST of educating them and dealing with the CRIME they commit. Drunk driving ...etc.


76 posted on 11/30/2004 5:00:05 AM PST by millefleur (Bush has no mandate to give away America to Mexico)
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To: TomGuy
Bush/Rove keeps pushing this.
Congress keeps derailing it.
The vast majority of citizens don't want it.
The vast majority of LEGAL immigrants don't want it.
Is Bush/Rove deaf or just stupid?


I'm afraid they're just POLITICIANS.
77 posted on 11/30/2004 5:00:15 AM PST by Barney59 (Honesty is the only policy...)
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To: Cableguy
Contrary to the getBush crowd, we Bush-voters didn't vote for him mindlessly. We KNEW we disagreed with Bush on some very important issues - one of the biggest being this immigration problem - and we would have to work hard to get our Congress to carry out the will of the people and not bow to pressure from the President.

WE have this immigration problem in the first place because most of us didn't pay attention and/or failed to hold our legislators accountable until after 9/11. I know that's the case with ME!

But so be it. Our fight for our great nation isn't over now that we rallied to vote Bush back into the Presidency. Now we need to continue to very loudly let OUR congress know what OUR demands are on this and other important issues. We MUST all flood the House and Senate with our demands for very strict immigration reform.

You can go to Tancredo's site and to numbersUSA to participate very easily in making sure our legislators know what we expect them to do.

78 posted on 11/30/2004 5:01:54 AM PST by LarkNeelie (Shock 'N Awe - liberals stunned by defeat)
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To: Squealer

I voted for Bush for one reason only, judicial appointments. If he manages to screw that up too I am prepared to pronounce him one of the worst Presidents in the history of our nation


79 posted on 11/30/2004 5:02:46 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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To: Cableguy

We have many of Bushs friends here, DUIs, drug runners and free loaders.


80 posted on 11/30/2004 5:06:08 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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