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Not in the mood for guests: The president fights with his own party over immigration reform
US News ^ | 12/6 issue | Angie C. Marek

Posted on 11/29/2004 9:14:20 PM PST by Cableguy

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To: Irrelevant

Bush signed CFR into law. He lied when he said he would veto it. This is what we are not supposed to mention.

He also snuck the illegal alien clause into the Medicare bill in the middle of the night. This is another thing we are not supposed to mention.


21 posted on 11/29/2004 10:03:52 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Cableguy

Tom Tancredo for President in '08!


22 posted on 11/29/2004 10:04:18 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
No, he acts like he was elected to the House with the duty to protect the American people.

No he acts like a man who see nothing wrong with thwarting the will of 280 million people outside of his district.

23 posted on 11/29/2004 10:05:23 PM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Sure, workers who work for wages that cause them to live several families to a house and bankrupt our emergency rooms.

Democrats said Bush's plan would create a class of indentured servants

24 posted on 11/29/2004 10:06:34 PM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: Cableguy

In a way it's a nice problem to have: people fleeing to your country because they know it is the very best. But let the death knell sound upon those who come here only to kill the oppurtunities that characterize the home of the free and the brave.


25 posted on 11/29/2004 10:09:41 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Once-Ler
Two hundred million people support keeping the immigration laws that allowed one of the first world trade bombers and the man who shot up the Israeli airline terminal in LAX last July 4th to stay in this country? Wow. Where's the cite on that stat?
26 posted on 11/29/2004 10:11:16 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Once-Ler

I'm sure you have a point. Get to it sometime.


27 posted on 11/29/2004 10:11:55 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

"The question we should be asking is why then does he [Bush] want it?"

I don't think he thinks. Ergo, I don't think he knows.

The question above should be posed to the ones who pull his strings - ie, the neocons.


28 posted on 11/29/2004 10:12:53 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: Once-Ler
>>>>I doubt it, but if that is the case we are doomed to do nothing about the illegal immigration problem.

No doubt about it!

I just gave you three steps that will make a difference and go along way in solving America's illegal immigration problem. Installing a guest worker plan before implimenting those three steps is an effort in futility. Unless you close the borders shut and halt new illegals from entering the US, a guest worker plan will not work. That will only exacerbate a serious problem by allowing more and more illegal aliens into the US. At the same time, enforcing existing laws against employers who hire illegals and halting all welfare payments to illegals, will also go along way to solving America's illegal immigration problem.

29 posted on 11/29/2004 10:15:13 PM PST by Reagan Man ("America has spoken")
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To: Once-Ler

"I like workers who want to work."

So do I, as long they don't come to America and steal Americans' jobs.


30 posted on 11/29/2004 10:16:03 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
One merely has to point to Cali as to the benefits of "immigration". The State cannot even pay the day to day bills without borrowing. This is after they've raised every fee, tuition at the University and took fines and levies from the cities and counties. The math just don't work.
31 posted on 11/29/2004 10:17:27 PM PST by investigateworld (( . ))
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To: Cableguy

Our slowing economy will hopefully put a damper on illegals. I sure wish Bush would get the BIG HINT: Americans don't want illegals. We need LEGAL immigration. We need to choose. Not the other way round.

If he pushes his childish thinking on this through, no other "Bush" would be voted into any office in the U.S. on the Republican ticket.

Hoppy


32 posted on 11/29/2004 10:17:29 PM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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Nativist! Knuckle-dragger! Bigot!

Such are the core arguments against those opposed to the President’s “guest worker” plan.

From the WSJ to conservative talk radio the President's supporters dazzle opponents with their superior IQ, skill and cunning.

Here in Sacramento the morning guy (originally from Ohio) uses his contempt for Ohio's own "illegal immigrants," hillbillies, to show how he feeeeeeeeels about opponents. Opponents are like those stupid hillbillies as he quotes an opponent. "Put all ‘dem Mexicans in trucks ‘n haul ‘em back to whar’ de belong, y’all."

Could I (a hillbilly) favor the President's guest worker plan?

Yes. If..

* All the provisions will be enforced. Fat chance. See the 1986 immigration reform.

* If the applicability of the 14th Amendment is investigated. To wit, though we citizens cannot break immigration laws by simply being here WE DO GET NAILED FOR FRAUD. Are ILLEGAL aliens more equal than us? Therefore equal protection does not apply? Some citizen serving time or being prosecuted for ID fraud just might like to have equal protection under the law and get a pass also. Fat chance.

33 posted on 11/29/2004 10:20:26 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: Baraonda

Your post sounds like something right out of DU! If you don't like this president, you're on the wrong website.DU is probably more to your liking.


34 posted on 11/29/2004 10:20:45 PM PST by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: investigateworld
Stop using logic. It hurts the fragile little brains of the illegal symps and cheap labor interests.
35 posted on 11/29/2004 10:21:12 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

Economy has little to do with illegals. Our economy may be slowing, but their economy slows even more. There was a study that came out a couple of weeks ago. If you do a search on FR, you should find it.


36 posted on 11/29/2004 10:22:14 PM PST by Cableguy
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To: Once-Ler
>>>>No he acts like a man who see nothing wrong with thwarting the will of 280 million people outside of his district.

Another ridiculous statement. 80% of Americans opppose any kind of amnesty for illegal aliens and most Americans want the borders sealed shut. Also, Fox reported on a poll just released today by Ipsos-Public Affairs. It showed that 64% of Americans want illegals rounded up and deported, and 67% don't want illegals or their children receiving welfare benefits from the government.

37 posted on 11/29/2004 10:22:16 PM PST by Reagan Man ("America has spoken")
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To: Reagan Man

I read your post I disagree. I think your plan would create a mass exodus of workers back to Mexico, and that would have massive repercussions for our economy. I do not believe we have the resources to stop the flow of illegals at the border, and punishing business for the governments schizo policy of looking the other way when illegals get here is just plain dumb.

I see nothing wrong with looking at the past work history of illegals and letting them qualify for a work permit. That is one less illegal that has to found and sent back to Mexico.


38 posted on 11/29/2004 10:24:03 PM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: Reagan Man
Another ridiculous statement. 80% of Americans opppose any kind of amnesty for illegal aliens and most Americans want the borders sealed shut.

Pot meet Kettle.

39 posted on 11/29/2004 10:25:01 PM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: Lady In Blue
"If you don't like this president, you're on the wrong website.DU is probably more to your liking."

Clarify. Your definition of conservatism is unwavering support of everything Bush does, including campaign finance reform (and later advocating closing down the 527s such as the Swifties), refusing to sack Norm Mineta and backing Specter over Toomey?

Kool Aid should not be the official sports drink of conservatives.
40 posted on 11/29/2004 10:25:06 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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