The Holy Grail: Fact or Fiction?

Again, you seem intent on putting words in my mouth.

No..I believe you did say objects could be sacred. And I don't think Jesus would say the mud he used was sacred.

Same goes for Paul and the cloths. I think he would be appalled that the cloths could be considered sacred. It was the power of God that healed. God is sacred...not any object used. They were just ragged old cloths. Hopefully, they worshipped the God who healed and threw out the cloths.

I have to go and exercise. Have a good night.

Because they were not obeying the law which was in effect until Christ's resurrection.

And this is all you get from that scripture? Consider:

John 2:14-17

And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, "Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of business." His disciples remembered that it was written, "ZEAL FOR YOUR HOUSE WILL CONSUME ME."

This was His Father's House. He wasn't just protesting some transgression of legality, He was pained the moneychangers had turned His Father's House into a Robber's Den. Jesus wept over the City of Jerusalem and what would befall her.

"No..I believe you did say objects could be sacred. And I don't think Jesus would say the mud he used was sacred."

Yes, I did say ojects could be sacred and I provided Scripture to PROVE that Jesus said some objects WERE sacred, i.e. the gold in the Sanctuary. I'm sorry your theology requires you to go against the Word of God. Though you are right, Jesus didn't say the mud was sacred.

"Same goes for Paul and the cloths. I think he would be appalled that the cloths could be considered sacred. It was the power of God that healed. God is sacred...not any object used. They were just ragged old cloths. Hopefully, they worshipped the God who healed and threw out the cloths.

Well, of course, what you think is really immaterial, isn't it? Scripture tells us Paul's disciples didn't consider the cloths in question to be just 'ragged old cloths,' which should be thrown away. Instead, it tells us his disciples took those cloths and healed people with them and cast out demons with them. Further, if Paul objected to this, as you seem to suggest he should, then the Holy Spirit seems to have erred in not communicating this, thus leaving us with the impression that both Paul and the Holy Spirit approved of the practice. Though you are right, said cloths shouldn't be worshipped, only honored and respected as the instruments of the power of Our God.

Have a blessed evening.(Seriously)

It gives you a sensation of awe in place of the sensation of god.

Or both at the same time.

Awe is a form of spiritual experience.

It's got nothing to do with getting to heaven.

What is with the minimalism in all things religious? Isn't it better to add depth and meaning and increase the sacred in our existence?

NOw, manuscripts are a different story.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Still we try harder to turn Him back into words again...

Do you worship the words?

sa·cred adj. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity. Worthy of religious veneration: the sacred teachings of the Buddha. Made or declared holy: sacred bread and wine. Dedicated or devoted exclusively to a single use, purpose, or person: sacred to the memory of her sister; a private office sacred to the President. Worthy of respect; venerable. Of or relating to religious objects, rites, or practices.

its a fact I think this is true.

I agree with you AlguyA! Didn't mean to overlook that
important fact. You know how posting is...

What difference does an old relic make for christianity?

relic worshipping is paganism.

The earliest Christians thought otherwise, as evidenced by the eyewitness account of the martyrdom of Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, who learned the Gospel at the feet of John the beloved disciple.

“The centurion then, seeing the strife excited by the Jews, placed the body in the midst of the fire, and consumed it. Accordingly, we afterwards took up his bones, as being more precious than the most exquisite jewels, and more purified than gold, and deposited them in a fitting place, whither, being gathered together, as opportunity is allowed us, with joy and rejoicing, the Lord shall grant us to celebrate the anniversary of his martyrdom, both in memory of those who have already finished their course, and for the exercising and preparation of those yet to walk in their steps.”

Martyrdom of Polycarp

Ironically, it was the pagan and Jewish enemies of Christ's Church who vehemently tried to prevent the "worship" of Polycarp's bones by his companions and fellow disciples. Here you are, nearly 1,900 years later, flogging the same strawman. :-)

“But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] the blameless life he had led from the beginning, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors of his holy flesh. For this end he suggested it to Nicetes, the father of Herod and brother of Alce, to go and entreat the governor not to give up his body to be buried, "lest," said he, "forsaking Him that was crucified, they begin to worship this one." This he said at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews, who also watched us, as we sought to take him out of the fire, being ignorant of this, that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions and fellow-disciples!”

Polycarp taught his charges well.