[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

We can agree to disagree. Since I don't adhere to "collective guilt" theories, there's no need for anyone to apologize. No one alive did anything wrong in the 1300s. The debasement of religious institutions by flawed, evil men is certainly a subject for debate, historical and scholarly study, and heated discussion. The crimes of officials of the Church of England, the Congregationalists of 17th-century New England, German Lutherans and Anabaptists are certainly parallel moments of injustice.

EVERY educated and civilized Catholic I know agrees that religious executions and religious-sanctioned murder are wrong. And I am not sure that liberal secular humanists, despite their enthusiasm for pointing figures at odd moments in Catholic history, would find the revival of religious military orders to be all that welcome.

[winodog]

I must apoligize for taking too much a defensive stand and assuming that you were a "dont bash cathlics, we have never done anything wrong stance" I, like you do not believe in the collective guilt stuff. I am willing to take the oppisite side in this case. I appreciate and respect your honesty and your ability to talk about a subject without it turning into a dam you and your stupid mind debate. May you and yours have a blessed day.

Michael