[ApplegateRanch]

...having access to and knowing how to use guns didn't do squat for the dead hunters because THEY WEREN"T CARRYING THEIR GUNS (except one guy).

Point 2A:

And, if the hunters had been armed, it still is problimatical how it would turn out, as beeing experienced at HUNTING usage is no guarantee one is prepped and trained for self defensive firearms usage.
It seems all were shot either standing, sitting on an ATV, or running away. In any case, all were presenting good targets. NOT a criticism of the victims, just an observation of circumstances.

As to the twit's dreaded "high powered semi-auto", for the first six AIMED rounds, my much higher powered, short-throw lever action is just as quick (and more immediately deadly) as a civilian semi. I do take longer to reload.

[jimthewiz]

And, if the hunters had been armed, it still is problimatical how it would turn out

In Vang's statement to police, he said that others came up to the victims on ATVs but he didn't shoot at them because they had GUNS.