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Prodigy, 12, Compared To Mozart
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Posted on 11/29/2004 8:27:37 AM PST by MaineRepublic

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To: international american

Yup..the one and only..


61 posted on 11/29/2004 9:17:29 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Doc Savage

His strength was presented as music composition, rather than playing the concert piano.

Those are two significantly different musical processes if you ask me.


62 posted on 11/29/2004 9:17:30 AM PST by angkor
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To: MaineRepublic

I haven't watched 60 minutes in a very long time. Was in an airport bar in Atlanta when this segment came on. Amazing! And Andy Rooney was talking about the uselessness of pennies and how he changed coins for free at his bank. These are the types of pieces for which I used to really appreciate 60 minutes.


63 posted on 11/29/2004 9:18:15 AM PST by jimfree (Your heros say something about your view of heroism.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Makes you really believe in reincarnation. Maybe he was someone else in a different life-Bach? Mozart? Food for thought!


64 posted on 11/29/2004 9:18:56 AM PST by LYSandra
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To: Ike

Sounds like an idiot savant.


65 posted on 11/29/2004 9:19:27 AM PST by cajungirl (my peeps are freeps)
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To: GOP_Proud
Greenberg says music just fills his head and he has to write it down to get it out.

Better than torturing small animals.

66 posted on 11/29/2004 9:19:43 AM PST by Mike Darancette (RICE '08)
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To: seraphMTH

With all that in your background, I'd expect more from you than we've gotten.

Did you play at 11 with the same emotional intensity that you now play with, if you are still playing?

Do you really think that your obvious gift for the violin makes you the arbiter for what is and isn't crap? I'm about as opinionated as they come when the discussion turns to music, but I try very hard to remember that "This music is crap" really means "I don't like this music."



67 posted on 11/29/2004 9:22:11 AM PST by dmz
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To: angkor
The fact that you do or do not like Mozart at age 10 is irrelevant, he was not in touch with the populace or the times. He did not resonate with then-popular conceptions of "good" music until much later.

Jay's muscial flatulence will never be considered in the same universe as Mozart et al.

68 posted on 11/29/2004 9:23:32 AM PST by montag813
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To: MaineRepublic

This still leaves me suspicious, with all the parents and profs seeming to want to share the limelight, perhaps by exaggerating the magnitude of this kid's talents.

I need to hear the music.


69 posted on 11/29/2004 9:23:47 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: seraphMTH
Like they said in the 60 minutes piece, people like you come along every year. You're a garden variety prodigy. This kid is a centennial prodigy. As such, you are most likely very jealous of this 12 year old. His musical maturity will come with biological maturity I'm sure. When that happens you can evaluate him beyond the phase of a curiosity.
70 posted on 11/29/2004 9:24:18 AM PST by CompGeek
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To: BritishBulldog
1) Sometimes, that which is passed off as music is crap. I offer the cacophanies of John Cage as an example. The judgement of such is a different skill from that of actually composing good music. I'm well aware that in some circles, one can pretend to a certain sophistication by refusing to call crap by its right name.

2) That the Pipes are an acquired taste is not news. Mrs. Bustard, for example, professes no understanding of my fascination with them. Even so, she can recognise whether the Piper has any skill.

71 posted on 11/29/2004 9:26:30 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: seraphMTH

Listened to the audio. He has a lot of ideas, phrases on the short side, needs to develop melody, rhythms are simple enough, sounds like pieces of existing works. He has a good ear, could work on cadence, improv, tension, and rhythm, harmony, the usual horizontal and vertical. Could pass for advanced music student. He should come to the music festival as a student not a teacher.


72 posted on 11/29/2004 9:26:44 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: montag813

Whoa! Wait a minute! If this kid is "taking dictation" from what he hears in his head, he's exactly like Mozart, who did the same thing. Mozart's original scores show very few, if any, corrections. He wrote the music down completely, as he heard it in his head, and then he was done with it. There were never any rough drafts or final copies. The talents of this kid are very believable - we just haven't seen it in over 200 years. And if people don't "get" his music at this point in time, that's okay; they didn't "get" Mozart's when it was new, either: "too many notes!", was the line I remember from Amadeus.


73 posted on 11/29/2004 9:26:46 AM PST by sddINRep (<insert tagline here>)
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To: js1138

In my opinion the music is modern but not abrasive. It's heavily string-filled, percussion is largely limited to atmospheric (not percussive) cymbols, and the piece is very melodious (not at all atonal). The harmonies are hard to peg. They are not American, and they are not classical.

The composer gives a brief description of what the music is supposed to portray, and I think that it does what he wants (although the collapse of the towers is so non-abraisve that it doesn't express any of the terror of the day, just the tragedy).

I also disagree with those who believe that the music is emotionally empty. I hear it full of controlled emotion and, as I wrote above, it manages to express carefreeness, deep, abiding tragedy and recovery (on a personal level, without grandeur or chauvinism).

I think it's worthy of being played by a symphony orchestra, and the attention being paid to this boy is fully justified.

I heard it from the link posted above.


I would not be surprised to hear this music compared to some of the late 19th century or early 20th century composers.


74 posted on 11/29/2004 9:27:20 AM PST by Piranha
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To: montag813
Man, you classical freaks are a vicious lot! Relax maestro and let the kid find his footing. Give him a few years and then spit the venom on him.
75 posted on 11/29/2004 9:27:45 AM PST by CompGeek
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To: seraphMTH

"Typical post-modernist classical noise"
I listened......

Maybe he could become the new Henry Mancini:)


76 posted on 11/29/2004 9:28:52 AM PST by international american (Proudly posting without reading the article since 2003.)
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To: ProudVet77
There was a news bit on Fox a few weeks ago about a fifteen-year-old girl who is being hailed as one of the greatest mathematical minds in years. She already works for NASA in their research division and has come up with an interesting theory on how to accelerate a present-day spacecraft to near-lightspeed.
77 posted on 11/29/2004 9:29:10 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. - John Adams)
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To: montag813
I didnt think the kid was so impressive on the show. Mozart was actually good. His music is lame. Also he never edits his pieces, and another "genius: showed how relentlessly Beethoven marked up his sheets.

The kid's only 12. Mozart didn't really start composing until he was in his late teens.

This young man has the potential to be even greater than Mozart, given his prolific nature.

78 posted on 11/29/2004 9:29:29 AM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: MaineRepublic

AWESOME!


79 posted on 11/29/2004 9:29:32 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: MaineRepublic

60 Minutes can't spell Saint-Saens. That figures.


80 posted on 11/29/2004 9:31:55 AM PST by Argh
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