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To: AppyPappy

As I said this country was ordered by the world view of the founders who were in that contemporary arena. They knew that to link the 13 colonies as theocracy would fail. Mostly due to the failing of men. They knew that democracy would rapidly deteriorate to rule of the majority and result in the tyrany of the minority and to mobocracy. They are very unstable. So the founders settled on a constitutional Republic. Now that is a country ordered by laws. Those laws were largely borrowed from Old English Law which was a derivitive of the Levitical Law. But it did not adopt the Levitical law. They knew that the levitical law convicted all and that Jesus came not to do away with the law, but to fulfill it, every jot and tittle. The founders were also versed the the writings of Aristotle, Cicero, Tacitus, Plato, Thucydides and others. They drew from the writings of the failed democracies of Greece and Rome, incorporating those components which they felt would promote liberty to posterity. But they knew that apart from the perfect law of liberty, freedom was not achievable, not because Jesus was insufficient in his fulfillment of the law, but because you and I have offended infinite justice (sin) and are incapable to rule ourselves corporately apart from an inner understanding of right and wrong. That is where the French Revolution went wrong shortly after we achieved our independence. It became a mobocracy of 50% plus 1. Thus the cascading bloodletting of the French in the early 1800's. There was no teaching or world view in them to tell them "right from wrong". Most people on this thread do know right from wrong. They are not lawyers, but they are not in fear of violating "Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not lie, and so on.." because in their boosom is the forknowledge of right and wrong. Not genetically transmitted, but culturally transmitted. Mr. AlZarhari did not get those lessons culturally. He kills with impunity and without remorse. There is no moral compass. And so it is with all Muslim countries. Go to India and you will see little children dying in the streets of Calcutta with bustling hurried lives passing by within a few steps of a dying 3 year old. Why? Because hinduism teaches that child has got to work out his bad Karma and to interfer may damn him to have to repeat this witnessed mysery and death. That is their world view as dictated by hinduism. They are not a hindu theocracy, but their law are mitigated by their religion. Christianity does not leave the child in the street to die. Christianity says pick that child up and help alleviate his pain and teach him of the love of Jesus who lovehimand died for him and will never forsake him. This is the world view of America. It is not a theocracy, but it at one time was dominated by the Christian World View. I am a Christian, but I would not want America to be a Christian Theocracy. That will happen in the future. (Zac 14, Rev.22.) In the past somewhere about 1960 nonchritians became dominent forces in education, law, medicine,politics, and buisness and as a result of their political activism have moved people to think they needed to receed only into their churches for worship. Historically we lifted up the cause of Christ and gave Him preeminence in all aspect of our lives. This was abandoned about that time (50) years ago and we now only have to look around and see the expression of the PostChristian America. We have, to a large degree failed to be good. As deTocqueville said, "America is great because she is good. If she ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." That is the charge we all have to deal with and collectively. Will America cease to be good? If it does, we may have to endure the future as France redux. We will be blown about by every wind of doctrine, rather than standing on a foundation of Rock.


146 posted on 11/29/2004 1:15:41 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Texas Songwriter

I think it would be very difficult to portray America as a "Christian Country" when slavery was being supported.


155 posted on 11/29/2004 2:10:37 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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