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Evolution of creationism: Pseudoscience doesn't stand up to natural selection
Daytona Beach News-Journal ^ | 29 November 2004 | Editorial (unsigned)

Posted on 11/29/2004 6:52:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: shubi
The theory predicted a mechanism like DNA would be found. It was. End of story. You lose. Evolution is fact. Get over it.

The theory predicted a universe would be found. It was. The story isn't over yet. God wins. Creation is a fact. Get over it.

1,801 posted on 12/11/2004 6:59:33 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: shubi
I corrected the error on virus.
I point out your misunderstanding of what Darwin and other scientists are saying.
Sorry if you can't handle the truth. Truth is an occupational hazard for creationuts.

You should not have made the mistake in the first place if you really taught biology. Second you have merely asserted my misunderstanding, but I was quoting Darwin not interpreting Darwin. However, it is fairly clear what this means. ---- Natural selection can act only by the preservation and accumulation of infinitesimally small inherited modifications, each profitable to the preserved being; and as modern geology has almost banished such views as the excavation of a great valley by a single diluvial wave, so will natural selection, if it be a true principle, banish the belief of the continued creation of new organic beings, or of any great and sudden modification in their structure.

Truth is your problem not mine. You cannot even recognize Darwin's qoutes.

1,802 posted on 12/11/2004 9:43:53 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

AARRRRGGGGGHHHH Creation is NOT part of the Theory of Evolution. I believe in Creation by God, and am a lot more informed about it than you will ever be.


1,803 posted on 12/11/2004 9:45:29 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: AndrewC

"You should not have made the mistake in the first place if you really taught biology"

Where did you learn to be such a good and tolerant person?
I suppose you have never made an error? Yes, I can tell my your formidable posts that you are perfect, an Adonis of accuracy, a veritable fount of misinformation.


1,804 posted on 12/11/2004 9:47:26 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: AndrewC

"However, it is fairly clear what this means. ---- Natural selection can act only by the preservation and accumulation of infinitesimally small inherited modifications, each profitable to the preserved being; and as modern geology has almost banished such views as the excavation of a great valley by a single diluvial wave, so will natural selection, if it be a true principle, banish the belief of the continued creation of new organic beings, or of any great and sudden modification in their structure."

OK Andy. What's it mean?


1,805 posted on 12/11/2004 9:48:41 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi; Fester Chugabrew; Michael_Michaelangelo
Where did you learn to be such a good and tolerant person?

What a hilarious comment. You were the one chastised for your attacks. Remember? You must be a DemocraticUnderground plant.

1,806 posted on 12/11/2004 9:54:38 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: shubi
OK Andy. What's it mean?

I've repeatedly told you, I won't play your games. The quotation is clear and needs no interpretation.

1,807 posted on 12/11/2004 9:56:51 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

Andy, you are much more plant-like than I am (or anyone else on this thread for that matter).

Chastised? LOL Did you report me? I report you everytime you post. I am sure they are building up enough evidence to prosecute you soon.


1,808 posted on 12/11/2004 10:03:13 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: AndrewC

OK, what it says is there was no global flood and that special creation isn't a good explanation, either. I think Darwin hit it pretty well, don't you?

It also says that accumulated microevolution events result in macroevolution. You agree with that too, eh?


1,809 posted on 12/11/2004 10:05:30 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: AndrewC

"I've repeatedly told you, I won't play your games"

I think what he is telling me is, he really doesn't know what anything means and doesn't want to humiliate himself by demonstrating that fact.


1,810 posted on 12/11/2004 10:06:50 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: AndrewC

"You cannot even recognize Darwin's qoutes."

Two things:
1. You made a mistake. I take back that stuff about you being perfect.
2. It is against copywrite law to quote Darwin or any author without citing the reference.


1,811 posted on 12/11/2004 10:09:47 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

"It is against copywrite law to quote Darwin or any author without citing the reference."

Incorrect on two counts. (1) Darwin is pre-1906, which means that he is in the public domain and not copyrighted. (2) citing references has very little to do (but not nothing) with the legality of quotations.


1,812 posted on 12/11/2004 1:27:46 PM PST by johnnyb_61820
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To: shubi
Chastised? LOL Did you report me? I report you everytime you post. I am sure they are building up enough evidence to prosecute you soon.

Nope. I did not even get the misfortune of reading the deleted post.

Go ahead, report all you want. You are the one treading on thin ice. Just a friendly warning.

1,813 posted on 12/11/2004 3:37:48 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: shubi
1. You made a mistake. I take back that stuff about you being perfect.
2. It is against copywrite law to quote Darwin or any author without citing the reference.

We already know you lie about me.

So sue me and see who wins. I clearly denote that it was special. Guess how?

1,814 posted on 12/11/2004 3:40:23 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: shubi
It also says that accumulated microevolution events result in macroevolution. You agree with that too, eh?

I will accept your liberal use of words Darwin did not use. But you fail to mention a requirement of those accumulating events. You fail as a biology teacher. Modifiers are very important.

1,815 posted on 12/11/2004 3:44:23 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

I just was explaining what your Darwin quote meant.


1,816 posted on 12/15/2004 6:49:06 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
I just was explaining what your Darwin quote meant.

No, you omitted extremely germane modifiers that were important to Darwin. Words mean things.

accumulation of infinitesimally small inherited modifications, each profitable to the preserved being

1,817 posted on 12/15/2004 7:31:56 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

Nope, they are "infintesimally" small. They accumulate in large numbers. You know, there is not much difference in the DNA of one species to another (daughter species).


1,818 posted on 12/16/2004 3:13:46 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi; All

Yes, "infintesimally" small and so is the added function. Consequently, there is no driving force to explain evolution. You need selection but without the added function you don't get selection. Specific mutations are required to lead to function. Given the vast number of possible mutations, the probability of added function arising naturally is just too small.


1,819 posted on 12/16/2004 9:16:20 AM PST by nasamn777 (Neo-Darwinian evolution is a bunch of intellectual shit packaged nicely and marketed well.)
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To: nasamn777

"Specific mutations are required to lead to function. Given the vast number of possible mutations, the probability of added function arising naturally is just too small."
What just in your opinion or do you actually have calculations to back that up? I suspect not.


1,820 posted on 12/16/2004 10:22:29 AM PST by bobdsmith
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