Posted on 11/28/2004 6:19:02 PM PST by LibWhacker
Edited on 11/28/2004 6:23:13 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Ugh. The first thing I thought of was that scene in The Pianist.
Yeah, the violin incident was pretty stupid. But It's nothing to have a cow over. It doesn't even approach a bus bombing.
I still support Israel.
I still oppose terrorists.
Arghhhh! . . . Sorry about the sidebar garbage (not that the article isn't also garbage!)
Someone on a dup thread pointed out (before it was pulled) that it makes sense to have him play to prove the violin is not concealing anything and to ensure he is really a musician.
I noted the reference to "Jewish women peace activists." IOW, self-hating slow-motion suiciders.
"It may be that the soldiers wanted Mr Tayem to prove he was indeed a musician walking to a lesson because, as a man under 30, he would not normally have been permitted through the checkpoint.
But after the incident was videotaped by Jewish women peace activists, it prompted revulsion among Israelis not normally perturbed about the treatment of Arabs.
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The outrage! To ask a violinist to actually play his violin to prove he can. Get the human rights groups NOW!
I suppose it would have been better if the Israeli soldiers would have possibly damaged his violin, while they are making sure there isn't a bomb hidden there.
Let me see, a soldier "forced" a man to play a violin?
SO WHAT WHO CARES!
Is this supposed to be a war crime? Gimme a break people.
I hate the left. Bastards. Scum.
Actually I think it's kinda funny....but of course, I'm sick.
It wouldn't have been the violin that'd gotten damaged!
NOTE: you can find several hundred websites with information on the killing of the 13 year old girl. That enables you to read it from the Palestinian and the Israeli points of view. Remarkably they both agree.
The issue now is that the killer was not held sufficiently accountable. Men in his own command want him tried for murder. Many have said they would no longer serve with this guy around them.
No doubt he's a marked man, just like so many in the leadership group that started the intifada.
No, but this is a War Crime. Nor was it as nauseating as the pictures in an Israeli newspaper of ultra-orthodox soldiers mocking Palestinian corpses by impaling a man's head on a pole and sticking a cigarette in his mouth.
Sounds like what an Iraqi insurgent would do to a dead American.
Why was it stupid to ask him to play, to prove there isn't a bomb in the violin and that he really knows how to play it.
Note that normally they wouldn't allow a young mail through the checkpoint. They were making an exception for him, so he could go to his violin lesson, if that is where he was really going. I think it was actually very nice of the Israelis and they used common sense, in asking him to play the vilin.
"The violinist, Wissam Tayem, was on his way to a music lesson near Nablus ...
It may be that the soldiers wanted Mr Tayem to prove he was indeed a musician walking to a lesson because, as a man under 30, he would not normally have been permitted through the checkpoint."
And from the picture it doesn't look like the soldiers were "making fun of him", they just wanted to make sure he is who he said he was. They could have just enforced their policy and not let him pass in the first place. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished.
Let's consider the source: the Guardian.
That's like counting on Dan Rather to give a fair and accurate assessment of President Bush.
Hyperbolic to the millionth billionth degree?
Granted, the scene described is revolting. But it is NOT the lowest moral point possible...not by a long shot.
The lowest point possible is far closer to twenty Nazi lieutenants sitting around a table at Wannsee marveling at the suggestion that 60,000 Jews a day could be liquidated through the use of poisonous gas and industrial ovens. 'We can achieve this,' Heydrich was observed to say, to great acclaim among those men.
Yeah, this is pretty terrible stuff! I know I'm troubled, troubled that a military road block would wonder about an Arab walking around in the middle of the day with a violin case under his arm. Hell they used to shoot people in Chicago for doing the same thing.
Sorry about that. Thanks for cleaning it up. My bad. My VERY bad. :-(
electrofying genetals, shoving red hot pokers into eyeballs, pulling out toenails...these are war crimes.
PLAYING A VIOLIN IS NOT A WAR CRIME
This is stupid and I'm thru with this stupid thread.
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