Revealed: the full story of the Ukrainian election fraud

The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 11/28/04 | Tom Parfitt and Colin Freeman

[Unam Sanctam]

They should redo the election, but how can it be done in a way that ensures they are free and fair?

[MisterRepublican]

Mr Yanukovich's tactics are straight out of the Democratic National Committees playbook.

[Just mythoughts]

Liberals method of electioneering.

[millefleur]

"...voters were given pens filled with ink that disappeared, leaving ballots unmarked and invalid."

ah yes, the old disappearing ink trick.

[AmericaUnited]

The most common trick was "carousel" voting, in which busloads of Yanukovich supporters simply drove from one polling station to another casting multiple false absentee ballots.

Obviously DNC hired hands from Philly or Detroit.

[4Liberty]

Wow.

And people complained about G'tmo & Abu Ghriab

[GarySpFc]

Mr Yanukovich's tactics are straight out of the Democratic National Committees playbook.

This article was written by those favorable to Yu. Read the Helsinki report and you will see the partisans on Yu's side also committed blatant fraud. Furthermore, the exit polls were all taken in Yu's area. Imagine if all the exit polls were taken in Boston.

[Once-Ler]

Russian advisers, including a leading Moscow spin doctor, Gleb Pavlovsky, were said to be in effect running the prime minister's campaign.

And Dick Morris was an advisor to Yushchenko. Where are the cries of American toe suckers influencing the Ukraine elections?

[GMMAC]

One wonders what the true agenda is of the half dozen (or less) posters who appear on every thread about Ukraine's election to attack Yushchenko and the reform movement?

Consider both that virtually every major expatriates' organization, including the World Ukrainian Congress, fully backs Yushchenko and the reform movement and that his / its support almost perfectly geographically and demographically mirrors turnout of the faithful when His Holiness Pope John Paul II visited Ukraine three years ago.

Then draw your own conclusions as to the detractors' real motivations.

Also, as one supporter of the Ukrainian reformers noted on another thread:

"I have no idea who BHHRG are, but apparently it's some kind of group that hopes to take legitimacy from the use of 'Helsinki' (Helsinki Final Act) in its name. Interesting enough, their mission statement says nothing about this act, or about human rights, but instead claim to be some sort of educational charity. Worth noting is also that the same group writes that the presidental elections in Belarus was 'generally satisfactory'. That's almost funny. A (real) report about the Ukrainian elections can be read at the The International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights website."

[Hoplite]

This is the actual "Helsinki report" on the recent Ukrainian elections.

The BHHRG is not a non-partisan organization - while attempting to make hay of the good will associated with the "Helsinki" organization, they're explicitly disowned by the real organization, and considering they put their dubious talents behind lending legitimacy to farces like the recent election in the Ukraine, it's no wonder why.

[jcmfreedom]

I just read the Drudge article about Yushchenko and his possible poisoning. I suppose if you can't beat him, get rid of him...huh?

[Timm]

His supporters have been wooed with millions of dollars from the United States.

What does this mean? The United States government was supporting the opposition in the Ukranian election? Or that millions in dollars from private citizens or companies in the U.S. was given the opposition campaign? Anyone know?

[dagnabit]

Can anything be done for him? The article didn't shed any light on a prognosis-I guess because there has been no diagnosis-but I bet someone knows what really happened to him.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Bump

[Blood of Tyrants]

The 'Rats are eagerly studying the techniques and methods for use in 2006.

[FreeReign]

This article was written by those favorable to Yu. Read the Helsinki report and you will see the partisans on Yu's side also committed blatant fraud. Furthermore, the exit polls were all taken in Yu's area. Imagine if all the exit polls were taken in Boston.

Nobody is talking about the exit polls anymore because the real evidence is coming in.

Here, try this Link. From that link four former U.S. congressmen ( Larry Pressler (R-S.D.), Bob Schaffer (R-CO), John Rhodes (R-AR) and Dennis Hertel (D-MI))describe the corrupt election they witnessed.

What really stands out to me is how these congressmen clearly state that the ballot counting process is not free and open. It's closed. Yushchenko and his party were not able to witness the counting.

Doug Hertel:My problem has been that you cannot have a free and honest election if observers and representatives of political parties are not allowed to be present. But the major problem that I saw is that you cannot collect the ballots and then close the doors to the public and to the media.

John Rhodes:But then the ballots left the polling station and we have no idea what happened to them later. And if the entire process is not completely open, then we have no guarantee that any part of the process is completely open.

There are many more charges from the four former congressmen. That is a small sample.

[The_Reader_David]

It's from George Soros, who resides here. He hates Orthodox Christianity and Russia about as much as he hates American conservatism.

[Aim Higher]

This whole topic pushes my hot button like you guys can't even believe. My husband and I are right in the middle of adopting out of Ukraine now. And I'm purposely learning Ukrainian instead of Russian, even though everyone in Ukraine speaks both -- the reason being that during Soviet rule, the Ukrainians were thrown in prison by the Russians for the "crime" of speaking their native tongue. Lovely, huh? They HAD to speak Russian or nothing at all. Today, there is such bitterness left over from the decades of oppressive Russian rule that there are many older Ukranians who refuse to speak Russian. Thus, out of respect for all Ukrainians, and our daughter-to-be in particular, I want to stand in solidarity with them, and speak their native tongue. NOT the tongue of the oppressor. (This is not to say that I think the Russian people are to blame. Not at all. I place the blame squarely on corrupt elements in the Russian governemnt.)

Then this Ukrainian election happens, and it's just sickening to see that "element" rearing its ugly head again trying to exert its stranglehold over these people again.

And to thicken the plot in our Ukrainian adoption case as it pertains to the news -- get this -- our case worker is RUSSIAN. So picture this.... Thanksgiving Day I'm on the phone with him and he's just gotten back from Russia where I'm trying to get the latest update and he asks me if I watch the news, saying "there's a revolution in Ukraine!" (don't you love it? "a revolution") (uhh, I think they call it, people recognizing fraud when they see it and not standing for it, buddro) I quickly shot back, "Yeah, I watch the news. The election was totally fraudulent. The Kremlin committed fraud and the Ukrainian candidate who really won the election was cheated out of victory." Well, at that, my case worker laughed a KGB type laugh and I thought (uh-oh) and he said,(insert your best Russian accent) "Well, this is a matter of opinion." I said, "Well, our government isn't going to recognize the Ukrainian election or government as legitmate with this guy in there."
My Russian case worker says, "Ukraine is split. The Eastern half wants the Russian choice, the Western half wants the European- American choice."

At that assessment, I thought to myself, What the "H" are you talking about, the Western half wants "the 'American' choice? The only choice the Americans want for Ukraine is the choice that represents the WILL OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, YOU KNUCKLEHEAD!!! Then he said "The one [already elected] is Putin's choice."

Yeah...he actually says "he's Putin's choice."

I'm thinking (and it's a good thing I didn't think to say this till AFTER I got off the phone or I might say something that would jeopardize my chances of ever getting our daughter) but after I hung up, I was so mad, all I wanted to do was shout at my Russian case worker:

"Who the heck gives a RIP who PUTIN wants to be the President of Ukraine???? What about the FALL OF THE SOVIET UNION DON'T YOU GUYS GET??????

[DBrow]

Another element to consider is that if the media focuses on election fraud elsewhere, it helps undermine Bush.

I hope the situation works out in the Ukraine; everyone deserves a fair election.