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A Hunt Turns Tragic, and Two Cultures Collide
NY Times ^ | November 28, 2004 | STEPHEN KINZER and MONICA DAVEY

Posted on 11/27/2004 12:42:07 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
I'm all for getting this over with and having the world erupt into a giant war to end all wars. Bigger than our own Civil War, WWI and WWII combined. Let's quit pussyfooting around and end it now. There is no way that the West, especially the U.S., can retain its identity as a nation and live at peace with the Muslim world. The followers of Islam have nothing but contempt for us and that will never change until we submit or are dead.
21 posted on 11/27/2004 1:17:35 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: neverdem

Yeah, two cultures: Law-abiding hunters and a murderer.


22 posted on 11/27/2004 1:21:10 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Dr.Syn

According to the article he was hunting on someone elses property on someone else's tree stand. Heck, think about it. You have a bunch of armed men squabling with an armed squatter who probably doesn't speak english. A definite recipe to disaster.

"Hey Ned, what's Kim Jong Il doing in your tree-stand with the SKS?"


23 posted on 11/27/2004 1:23:52 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: Dogbert41
who probably doesn't speak english.

Nope. He speaks English.

24 posted on 11/27/2004 1:25:13 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: neverdem
I've spent a little time with Laotians who were of the mountain people Tony Poe fought along side in the CIA operations during the Vietnam War. They were hard workers and had little difficulty in acclimating to American culture. But they came here, grateful for their American opportunities and were very respectful of the Americans who brought them here.

It seems as though the persons spoken of in these Hmong people have far different expectations.

25 posted on 11/27/2004 1:26:42 PM PST by Ghengis
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To: neverdem

This is a New York Times story, and knowing that should be enough to understand the slant the story will take.


26 posted on 11/27/2004 1:40:09 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: JeeperFreeper

I tend to think that the "ethnic slur" accusation is just something trotted out by the perp to make it seem somehow excusable that he shot several people, some in the back, in an act of premeditated murder.

The ethnic slur allegation is nothing but a cheap excuse. I'm sure none of them could've seen what ethnicity he was, nor, I'm sure, would they have cared.


27 posted on 11/27/2004 1:48:04 PM PST by Altamira
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To: Ptarmigan

"It seems like racial problem are in the blue states."

No kidding. A couple of weeks ago in Corvallis, Oregon (one of those "enlightened" college towns) a group of black men beat up a white man who was dancing with his black wife.

Somehow that little hate crime never made it to the mainstream media.


28 posted on 11/27/2004 1:50:55 PM PST by Altamira
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To: neverdem

Why is it that in all the articles I have read about this atrocity, I have read about one Hmong or another who was called a name in third grade, but never once were the names of all of the slain mentioned. There were six human beings killed in cold blood, all of whom IIRC were unarmed. Why don't we know their names?!

I think the MSM wants them to disappear and be forgotten. I want to know who they were, and I want the jury to know too, by God!
Them and the executioner.


29 posted on 11/27/2004 1:51:27 PM PST by Atomic Comet (www.aroostookbeauty.com)
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To: irish guard

My thoughts exactly. This article and "take" on the matter amounts to less than a cup of warm hog urine. This is about a murderer and his victims. Or maybe among the Hmong it's ok to kill other people for the right to hunt on their property?!?! Or is it a simple tale of 6 hunters in the Hmong place at the Hmong time?


30 posted on 11/27/2004 1:51:40 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Altamira

The LA Riot happened in California in 1992. Many Korean businesses were affected. Blacks and Koreans had tensions because Blacks felt slighted because Koreans owned business and some had limited to no English. Also, there was that one riot in Michigan in 2003. Both are blue states.


31 posted on 11/27/2004 1:53:52 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: JeeperFreeper

If one white had shot 6 hmong...the Times would have gone on and on and on about white racism! Demanding a federal investigation etc.


32 posted on 11/27/2004 1:59:00 PM PST by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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To: OldFriend
Wonder what culture is represented by shooting people in the back?

Golly. That's a tough one.

OK. I quit.

I had an idea, but that culture usually saws off the heads of their screaming victims, blows up street-loads of people in suicide bombings, and rams airplanes full of innocent passengers into occupied skyscrapers. They would never stoop so low as shoot somebody in the back!

33 posted on 11/27/2004 2:02:03 PM PST by Gritty ("Islam loathes democracy. Democracy steals the power of the Islamic leaders."-Barbara Stock)
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To: AirForceMom
I personally believe his story of having insults hurled at his is complete horsesh*t. Who in their right mind would do such a thing standing under someone who has a loaded rifle??

I read on another thread that Vang was trespassing on this same property last year, and the year before. Frankly, if someone trespassed on my hunting land 3 years in a row, I would most likely use a whole bunch of descriptive language directed at him, his heritage, and his intimate relationships with dead farm animals. (Hmong other things)

34 posted on 11/27/2004 2:07:50 PM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: JeeperFreeper

Just more NYT propoganda. Just like animal farm:

Immigrants good. White americans bad.

Four legs. Two legs bad



35 posted on 11/27/2004 2:11:08 PM PST by rcocean
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm betting on the single lunatic theory, but the newspaper wants me to think that this Hmong was somehow "a representative of his culture", I guess.

Where there is trouble to be stirred you will find the MSM splashing happily. After all the more trouble and strife they can create the easier their job is.

37 posted on 11/27/2004 2:11:40 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: Ptarmigan
The LA Riot happened in California in 1992.

O/T...thanks. I couldn't remember what year.

38 posted on 11/27/2004 2:12:03 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Dogbert41
You have a bunch of armed men squabling with an armed squatter who probably doesn't speak english.

He was in the national guard and speaks English quite well.

39 posted on 11/27/2004 2:13:34 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation.)
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To: neverdem

Seems to me it's more about just plain evil. Especially if the alleged perp has done this before.


40 posted on 11/27/2004 2:14:47 PM PST by mewzilla
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