The Sleeping World Is Awakening to the Dangers of Islam

CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | NOVEMBER 27, 2004 | BARBARA STOCK

[nuconvert]

"How many cult leaders of the last one hundred years have claimed to see visions?"

I could ask how many televangelists claim that.

The point is, it's accepted as one of the world's major religions. It is practiced peacefully by most. I don't condemn all members of the religion for the actions of the few.

BTW - the Koran is going to undergo major scrutiny with the release of this work............... http://syrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol6No1/HV6N1PRPhenixHorn.html

I'm sure it will cause major debates within the religion forever more. Maybe some new sects will be formed?

[ThanhPhero]

There is nothing in that book that exhorts people living since 500 BC to kill and slaughter. The Koran has a number of such commands that point to the present and future untill all the world is Islamic or dead, or at least dhimmi. The apparent nastiness in the Bible pointed to by critics was time, place, and enemy specific and was not extended to any other peoples that have lived since. The Crusades were not religious wars to convert anyone but were defensive actions to keep the Holy land open to pilgrims. There is no comparison between Islam and religion.

[broadsword]

That is why I condemn ISLAM for the bad things that Muslims do. Any effort to humanize Islam is a waste of time. The obstacle to any reform is Quran. The enemy is Islam...

That is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Keep up the good work, my friend.

[broadsword]

There is nothing in that book that exhorts people living since 500 BC to kill and slaughter. The Koran has a number of such commands that point to the present and future untill all the world is Islamic or dead, or at least dhimmi. The apparent nastiness in the Bible pointed to by critics was time, place, and enemy specific and was not extended to any other peoples that have lived since. The Crusades were not religious wars to convert anyone but were defensive actions to keep the Holy land open to pilgrims. There is no comparison between Islam and religion.

Another great post.

KABLAM!!!!!

There is nothing like plain truth to shoot down the Islamodefenders' lies.

[dennisw]

Right clown. Next you'll be trying to sell the Islamic fairy tale that Muhammad only fought defensive wars.

[dennisw]

In what way have you been trying to emulate the life of Muhammad? And what part of Muhammad's life are you going to cherry pick to copy? What part of Mohammed's life are you going to pretend does not exist?

[nuconvert]

You miss the point. This isn't a Bible vs Koran discussion. You will have to find another thread for that.
You may not like the Koran and that Islam is an accepted religion, but it is. The majority of people practicing it, do so peaceably. That's all.

[nuconvert]

First, since you haven't read my responses....I am not muslim. Therefore, I am not trying to emulate or even defend Mohammed. You've gone off on your own tangent.
I am defending people's rights to practice their religion, and informing the uninformed that not all muslims are terrorists, and therefore labelling all muslims as such and calling for their collective deaths is not only ignorant but bigoted.

When people stoop to childish name-calling (as you have), I end the discussion with that person.

[dennisw]

When people stoop to childish name-calling (as you have), I end the discussion with that person.

Oh please don't do that. Please please please please with sugar and strawberries on top.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

"We need to stop beating around the bush about how dangerous radical Islam is..."

We need to stop Bush beating aroung the bush re Islam. Radical Islam is the enemy, and it is often nearly impossible in this country to know whether a moslem is a radical. I think we have to treat them all with suspicion.

[Squealer]

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Hey dennisw, I love your tag-line!!





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[FBD]

>"You can't go wrong with Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, and www.jihadwatch.com. They know the story behind the story about Muhammadanism."<
Thanks for that link, dennis.

Dennis, Broadsword, Nuconvert
I know you guys have probably all read Warraq and Amer Taheri, but just in case you (or others) haven't read these two quotes, I'll repost it here:

"Muslims do not need patronizing liberals to meet them halfway; Muslims need to write an honest biography of the prophet that does not shun the truth, least of all cover it up with the dishonest subterfuge of condescending western scholars" -Ibn Warraq Author of; "Why I Am Not A Muslim", "Studies on Muhammed", and the "Rise of Islam".

"Muslims can build a democratic society provided they treat Islam as a matter of personal, private belief and not as a political ideology that seeks to monopolize the pubic space and regulate every aspect of individual and community life." - Amir Taheri

Nuconvert,
Thanks for the replies...I think we are probably in agreement on this issue:
We both don't care what anyone else does in who or what they worship, propvided they are peaceful, and leave other people alone. I think that is the frustration many people here have, and that is that many Muslims don't know how to leave non-muslims alone, and they infringe on other folks freedoms and security.

Again as Warraq said:
"Muslims need to write an honest biography of the prophet that does not shun the truth, least of all cover it up with the dishonest subterfuge of condescending western scholars"

Once that happens, I think we will begin to get a handle on the radical sects of Islam...or better yet, non-violent Muslims will begin to handle the radical sects for us. As of yet, they have not.

Regards

[FBD]

>"If you don't know, I closely follow DcotorZIn's Daily Iranian Alert Thread."<

Yes, I have seen your posts there.
Thanks for the conversation, and I'll probably catch you on DoctorZins thread sometime.

Regards

[Travis McGee]

bttt

[dennisw]

thanx!!

[dennisw]

Again as Warraq said:
"Muslims need to write an honest biography of the prophet" .........

Any Mohammedan who does that is dead meat.

[jonrick46]

I compare the Islamo fascists to a tree bearing bad fruit. It has a Biblical message to it: "Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire (Mathew 7:17-19. Islam has so far shown itself incapable of eliminating the pestilence that has caused its tree to bear blighted fruit. They do need to eliminate the pestilence that is causing the Islamic tree to bear blighted fruit. They need to do it now or the world will begin chopping and burning the trees like we do with maple blight. They don't have much time either. The world is not patient with these primitives who bear the blighted fruit.