Posted on 11/26/2004 10:09:05 PM PST by CHARLITE
I totally agree. Can we do this? Are we willing to deal with the PC backlash if we do?
Oh we can do this, no problem.
Unfortunetly, the spineless worms in Washington WILL NOT.
Am I wrong?
(Rabid Dog Coming Your Way.)
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It has taken me since 9/11 to realize that civilized humans cannot understand Islam. I am just overjoyed and somewhat relieved that the world is finally waking up in time to see the rabid dog coming its way disguised as Islam.
Not sure if the politicians can be brought around on this. They are, after all, politicians. Even President Bush won't address this. Maybe he will, now that he is in the second term...
Well and factually said. And what does society do with a rabid dog?
"In short, Muslims do not fit in."
Tells me the author "gets it."
Muslims have no intention of fitting in. They move somewhere, and expect the receiving host to change, to accomodate them, and their diabolical ways.
I'm hoping one by one, countries outlaw their immigration, and various practices.
By Gary Jones, Chief Reporter Kanchan Dutt And Don Mackay
MUSLIM leader Sheikh Abu Hamza has told young British Supporters that murder, bank robbery and looting are legitimate weapons against the enemies of Islam.
BATTLE CRY: Sheikh Hamza speaking at a Trafalgar Square rally
Secret tapes obtained by the Daily Mirror show how the one-eyed cleric has urged violence at recruitment meetings across Britain - and warned that the infidel should be kept on the run.
Hamza, 44, appearing at an Islamic rally in London yesterday, denied telling followers that it was all right to kill w esterners living and working in foreign lands.
But on one of the six video tapes made at private meetings around the country the fanatic tells impressionable young supporters: "What are they doing there anyway? Most of them are spies.
"Even if they don't do anything - if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market - kill them, it's OK."
DANGEROUS TALK: Hamza in a clip from the secret videos obtained by The Mirror
Egyptian-born Hamza, who lost an eye and had both arms blown off by a landmine during the Afghan war against the Russians, is leader of the Supporters of Shariah movement based at the mosque in Finsbury Park, North London.
He has denied recruiting British Muslims into the al-Qaeda terrorist network and claims inflammatory statements attributed to him are fabricated.
But at meetings behind closed doors, he urges followers to take up arms against the infidel.
"We have to push our children to the front line," he said. "Everybody wants his son to be killed like a lion."
Hamza said anyone standing in the way of his Islam would spend their life in fear.
HE warned: "They should always be worried. They should always be on the run. They should always feel insecure."
At a mosque in Birmingham, the sheikh issued another call to arms.
He said: "Why should there be a battle? Why should there be an argument?
"But a struggle means sometimes arguing to convey the message. Even if it means you convey the message by carrying a sword.
"Allah wants to know who will sacrifice for him."
During a question and answer session, Hamza said banks were a Jewish establishment, the work of Satan.
Robbing them and kafirs, or unbelievers, could be acceptable because they were not protected by Allah. He said: "I say go and do it (steal), take shoot and loot.
"Every battle has its purpose. Ours is to put the authority of Allah and humiliate kafir who are challenging the authority of Allah and Muslims.
"Sometimes you will feel too weak to go on, but you say 'I still have some strength to humiliate and kill and remove some of the germs who are making me weak so that people who come after me can carry on with weaker enemies'."
Hamza also backed burglary and theft from non-believers. He said: "I can't see any problem giving yourself a free hand - getting yourself a new car.
"Go for their houses where you can loot and come back. It is like going to the forest and picking up wood from no man's land."
On one video Hamza says it is legitimate to wage war against targets such as the American embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi which were attacked by al-Qaeda in 1998.
The sheikh is also heard giving advice to those joining a jihad, or holy war. He said: "Allah made the contract that a certain kind of believer will fight in the cause of Allah ... they will kill in the cause of Allah.
"Jihad is their fight and it is also an obligation. But some people call this terrorism."
"Jihad is the only way to protect believers. Jihad comes first.
"I do not want you to say 'I believe in one God'. No, no. I want you to make trouble for kafirs.
"Before you can say I believe in you God I want you to put everybody's god in the dustbin.
"And so you insult kafir...you say there is no god except the creator Allah. You start the trouble.
"Allah will never ever allow the kafir to be pleased with you. He created them and he moulded them to be your enemy.
"Jihad is moving up and proving yourself. It is something for you to look for. Go and look for it." The sheikh has been linked to alleged shoe bomber Richard Reid - awaiting trial in America - Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker on September 11 who is on remand in the US, and Feroz Abbasi, from Croydon, South London, who is among the prisoners at Camp X-Ray in Cuba.
Hamza is wanted by America and the Yemen.
Questions are now being asked over why he has not been dealt with under the Terrorism Act 2000 outlawing support for radical Islamic groups and making it a criminal offence to raise funds.
The only time Hamza has been detained was in 1999 when he was questioned by Scotland Yard detectives on suspicion of terrorism offences. He was held for several days and released without charge.
Andrew Dismore, Labour MP for Hendon, North London, has spoken out since September 11 on Hamza's suspected links with terrorists and alleged anti-American comments. He said the videos were "one more argument that it is about time action was taken against Hamza".
The MP added: "I believe he has committed incitement to violence and I find it very difficult to understand why he has not been subject to prosecution.""
A SPOKESWOMAN for the Home Office said she could not comment on the Hamza case, but added: "We are monitoring a number of individuals and organisations.
"The Home Secretary has powers to deport someone who represents a danger to the public good.""
The spokeswoman said someone seen to be inciting the public could warrant a Government investigation.
She added: "If it was seen as a threat, for example, to national security that could be a reason to deport somebody." Scotland Yard said it would be keen to study the tapes to see whether the cleric had broken the law.
At yesterday's rally in Trafalgar Square, Hamza refused to condemn terrorist atrocities against the West and said he backed a jihad: "We support a nice clean war.
"We don't know any war other than a holy war. We are not going to spill blood unnecessarily."
Hamza even claimed New York's Twin Towers collapsed from inside because of "an America-Zionist plot to blame the Muslim world".
He said: "There is no way these buildings could collapse in that manner after three hours.
"Al-Qaeda may have ambitions to do that, but I don't believe they did.
"I'm a trained civil engineer and I know from what I have seen those buildings collapsed from the inside."
The sheikh denied ever urging young Muslims to kill westerners. "I haven't said that," he said. "It is a crude statement. If you leave us alone, we will leave you alone."
Four people were arrested during clashes between rally supporters and far-right demonstrators. Two speakers were also arrested.
Two British National Party supporters were bundled to the ground by police and handcuffed before being led off for public order and breach of the peace offences as a banner proclaiming "Bin Laden is a murderer" was unfurled.
Police, fearing more violence, ordered the rally's blaring speakers turned off.
Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has called on Muslims to fight the "evil forces" behind attacks on Osama bin Laden, said: "We are moving towards dangerous times. We can only expect worse."
He denied inciting racial hatred but said any attacks against Iraq would bring retaliation.
Good night, time for bed here.
Help to educate muslims to the truth about their religion. There are no true safe harbors (in real life) for them to question Islam. Fortunately tho, safe harbors for discussion are popping up in cyberspace. Here are two:
http://www.apostatesofislam.com
http://www.faithfreedom.org
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sounds like a parasite, doesn't it? It leeches off the host - when the host dies, it moves on, stronger than ever.
I say, cut off the host and let the parasite(s) die. Send them back to where they came from.
One of the tenants of Islam is that where ever they set foot, it is Islamic/Muzlim Land. Their plan is the same as it has been for centuries, take over the world.
In those pockets of Islamic rule, poverty is common, unemployment is high, and the clerics foment hate and point fingers of blame on the evil West for Muslims' lot in life.
Now ain't that nice. They come in and turn a Capitalistic Country into a third world country, and blame it on the host country. No wonder they want to take over what with that twisted thinking.
They blamed all of that on the West before they came to civilization so if that is the way they want to live with all the oppression and stone-throwing, they have thousands of sq miles of desert in which to live as they want.
They will not be happy until everyone else is as miserable as they are.
Your plan is a good start. ABSOLUTELY there is no good reason why ANY western country is allowing ANY immigration at this point in time. That is the first step, stop the ingress.
Certainly the Dutch have a good idea to strip people of their Dutch citizenship, we can only hope they follow through and begin and continue the promised deportations.
In all reality it will only take a small number of deportations to demonstrate that we in the West are serious about maintaining our culture.
What to do with the rest of them, and in America those like the prison converts, that part I am not sure about. In America we'd have to amend the constitution, my guess is many European countries would not have that problem. I venture that many probably already have some "state religion" even the super liberal ones, like Sweden.
If so, it would be easy to outlaw Islam in those nations, and I would suggest they do that ASAP. This will give them grounds for the re-settlement of their Muslims back to the Muslim world. Let the hordes of asylum seekers be banging on the saudi's door if they like it so much. Convert or get the heck out.
Europe will now have a problem if they try to clear out Muslim neighborhoods because they are now "Muslim land". their law states that a Muslim cannot sell land to an infidel or Jew. Those neighborhoods are now soveriegn territories of Islam and it will be like Fallujah in every one of those cities. What a nightmare. Detroit and surrounding communities will be the same.
"We have to push our children to the front line," he said. "Everybody wants his son to be killed like a lion."
Simply WOW.
Can it be done? Yes.
Are we willing to deal with the PC backlash? I am, but I never gave a flying shiz for "PC" in the 1st place.
The problem is that the political ruling class won't grow the stones necessary to do it unless the citizenry pressure them heavily to do so.
Clean your guns and sharpen your knives. This is a war you know?
The words you're looking for are: Deus Vult. ;-)
Islam, The Religion of Peace® ? Click this picture:
Furthermore, I wrote this some time ago- nothing, not a single thing I have seen or witnessed since, has caused me to change my opinion:
The entire West ( dare I say "the civilized World?" ) is locked in a fight to the death with militant Islam.
There will be no second-place winner, no "third way" solution-- it is March or Die time, folks.
It is Us versus an eighth-century "culture" of plunder & pillage, forced religious "conversions," and the mistreatment of women.
The sooner we face up to this fact realistically and quit dancing around PC talking-point nonsense about diversity and tolerance, the better off we'll all be.
We did not pick this fight- which really has roots in Jimmy Carter's appeasement in 1979 of militants- but we had damned well better see it for what it is, and be prepared to face it and finish it.
I'll put it in raw, personal terms-- I don't want Sharia law visited upon my women, and I don't want a goat-roper "culture" infesting my land.
I don't want their vile, nasty, loathsome weapons of mass destruction loosed upon my fair country, either.
They picked the fight, and now it is up to us to finish it- balls to the wall, hammer and anvil, fire and blood and iron... freedom is never, ever free, and the coin you pay it in is men's lives and tears and blood.
What we saw during Gulf War I was our military doctrine ( high tech ) versus Soviet doctrine ( throw a lot of low tech iron at the problem )-- and we all know how that turned out.
What we have just seen in the 3-Week War is Information-Tech,
( What some are calling it Hyperwarfare... )
or 21st Century warfare versus 20th Century...
What I would suggest, and call your attention to, is the fact that we, and Israel, are capable of waging 21st Century warfare, and the entire Arab world is not.
Proven fact, by recent events.
One more thing- this will be a war where we are all called to be warriors- so I suggest to you that the time has come to get hard, and stay hard... it really is the time for Fire and Blood and Iron...
...and I am deadly, utterly serious about my tagline-- do you all recall what America did to the "Thousand-Year Reich?"
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