Posted on 11/26/2004 9:30:40 PM PST by LibertyRocks
Does it matter to the VPC at all that the hunters, aside from one bolt-action rifle, we unarmed when they were shot?
No. Apparently not. They have as much credibility as Michael Moore.
ok so how many police have been killed in the line of duty totall and how many killed with a gun that looks like but isnt an actual assault rifle ? 6 they said in the article hmm that might be .010% of all police deaths
Sir, I resemble that remark about the lousy SKS. Criticize the 7.62 x 39 round, but not the weapon. And remember that Ruger offers its classic Mini-14 in the same caliber as the SKS. In any case, it wasn't the gun, but the human slime clutching it, that caused this atrocity
Not to mention he had complete tactical suprise.
I don't want to ignore gun grabbers; I want to defeat them soundly once and for all.
Those morons are getting energy and dissipating OUR energy by pulling our chain whenever they like. We can afford to ignore the morons once in a while, and focus our efforts where it counts: getting Supreme Court justices we can live with, for example.
"I would put money on the fact that every one of the hunters were hunting with a firearm that was more powerful than the 7.62X39 cartridge that the SKS shoots."
No doubt. But to the gun-banners, 'powerful' is how many rounds the gun holds. Just like, 'assualt weapon' is any weapon other than a single shot.
Thank God Bush won.
Hmmm -- well, if it were a Chinese-made SKS, I'll let my comments stand. I've owned a bunch of the Russian ones and they were quite well made. Anyway, my point was more that it seemed the writer of this hit piece was attempting to demonize an import, as if banning imported "assault weapons" would solve anything. Hence, my pointing out my belief that the AR-15 and Mini-14 are superior. As for the round, I have little criticism for the 7.62x39 round. It has been demonstrated to be extremely effective at its intended use.
These people are like termites, they NEVER stop. Their aim is to disarm the American People for whatever nefarious reasons they have. I have often wondered what and who is behind the scenes on this eternal push to reneder us helpless.
The real story is if I understand the facts is that seven of the eight hunters were unarmed.
Is that true??
It's not a matter of power my friend. I'll take my little scoped 243 and some camo and one shot will do in any machine gunner, no matter what caliber he has. It's in stealth and accuracy not how big. (It's not how big it is, it's how you use it)LOL
Interesting story. Sounds like some of the victims weren't speaking nicely enough of the shooter to suit him, and since the first victim was the first to draw his weapon, he's going to claim self defense. Might get by with a lesser degree or maybe even an acquittal on that count, but after shooting the ones who were running away he has no defense for the rest.
If most of what Vang says is true, probably none of that would have happened if not for the harsh words of some members of the victims' party. It's no excuse for murder, but it's a good example of why hunters should be (and usually are) courteous to one another. That's the point that needs to be emphasized here - the brand and style of weapons used is irrelevant.
Jeff Cooper came up with a Color Code to indicate defensive mind-set:
The hunters, although armed, were walking around in Condition White. They were oblivious to the possible need to defend themselves with deadly force against a human threatWhite - Relaxed, unaware, and unprepared. If attacked in this state the only thing that may save you is the inadequacy and ineptitude of your attacker. When confronted by something nasty your reaction will probably be, "Oh my God! This can't be happening to me."
Yellow - Relaxed alert. No specific threat situation. Your mindset is that "today could be the day I may have to defend myself." There is no specific threat but you are aware that the world is an unfriendly place and that you are prepared to do something if necessary. You use your eyes and ears, and your carriage says "I am alert." You don't have to be armed in this state but if you are armed you must be in yellow. When confronted by something nasty your reaction will probably be, "I thought this might happen some day." You can live in this state indefinitely.
Orange - Specific alert. Something not quite right has gotten your attention and you shift your primary focus to that thing. Something is "wrong" with a person or object. Something may happen. Your mindset is that "I may have to shoot that person." Your pistol is usually holstered in this state. You can maintain this state for several hours.
Red - Fight. This is your mental trigger. "If that person does "x" I will shoot them." Your pistol may, but not necessarily, be in your hand.
The following are some of Jeff's recent comments on the subject (2004-08).
"Considering the principles of personal defense, we have long since come up with the Color Code. This has met with surprising success in debriefings throughout the world. The Color Code, as we preach it, runs white, yellow, orange, and red, and is a means of setting one’s mind into the proper condition when exercising lethal violence, and is not as easy as I had thought at first. There is a problem in that some students insist upon confusing the appropriate color with the amount of danger evident in the situation. As I have long taught, you are not in any color state because of the specific amount of danger you may be in, but rather in a mental state which enables you to take a difficult psychological step.
"Now, however, the government has gone into this and is handing out color codes nationwide based upon the apparent nature of a peril. It has always been difficult to teach the Gunsite Color Code, and now it is more so. We cannot say that the government’s ideas about colors are wrong, but that they are different from what we have long taught here."The problem is this: your combat mind-set is not dictated by the amount of danger to which you are exposed at the time. Your combat mind-set is properly dictated by the state of mind you think appropriate to the situation. You may be in deadly danger at all times, regardless of what the Defense Department tells you. The color code which influences you does depend upon the willingness you have to jump a psychological barrier against taking irrevocable action. That decision is less hard to make since the jihadis have already made it."
As far as Ive been able to determine from reports, that is correct.
They were oblivious to the possible need to defend themselves with deadly force against a human threat
Never again. From now on I'll hunt with an SKS and friends watching my back, and I suspect many others will do likewise.
Ping to self.
The real story is if I understand the facts is that seven of the eight hunters were unarmed.
Is that true??
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As far as Ive been able to determine from reports, that is correct.
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Well then this is just a case of cold blooded murder. Plain and simple. That is why charges will be filled on Monday.
I think this effectively lays to rest the lie that they are not out to ban all guns.
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