Wisconsin Hunter Shooting Threads and Links

Good morning, 'mom!

With information like the one you found from Green Lake County, the character of the Vang isn't hard to figure out. FReepers rock!

Now - I have GOT to study today!

You'd BETTER be studying today. I'll be back tonite to check up on you!

Not yet. I keep having this things called obligations get in the way.

...eek! Busted!!

Thank you for compiling this list. I think your two "Possible Related Case" links clearly show that these weren't this first hunters this guy murdered and that he is in fact a serial killer:

Another twist in Chai Vang killing spree

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1287569/posts

Authorities also look at 2001 hunter slaying

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287762/posts

"Not yet. I keep having this things called obligations get in the way."

Oh. Those.

Thanks, Ron. Vang clearly has a disregard for the law and for life. My big concern right now is Doyle and Lots-a-lager handling this case. Any word on who's involved in the investigation?

Lauren Hesebeck: A stunned, saddened survivor
- - 11/27/2004 10:05:13 AM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1289350/posts

to marktwain

A Hunt Turns Tragic, and Two Cultures Collide
- - 11/27/2004 2:42:07 PM CST - -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1289466/posts

Thanks for compiling this!

Here's one from a couple days ago, saying he was a Shaman.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/nov04/278618.asp

A spiritual leader, jailed in killings
Shooting confuses Vang's friends
By VIKKI ORTIZ and NAHAL TOOSI
vortiz@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Nov. 25, 2004
A man who authorities say admitted gunning down six hunters in northern Wisconsin was a respected spiritual leader in the Hmong community who comforted the sick and dying.

North Woods Shootings

Photo/Michael Sears
Ber Xiong (right) gets translation help from son Dang Xiong as he describes the hunting trip he took to Wisconsin in 2002 with Chai Soua Vang.

Photo/Michael Sears
Ber Xiong

Quotable

I thought, 'How could the problems happen so fast? He never had problems before.

- Ber Xiong

Suspect

Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., is suspected of shooting eight hunters, killing six of them.

Suspect's Statement

Court document (pdf): Probable cause statement, including interview with suspect (Note: Some obscenities expunged)

Related Coverage

Vang: A spiritual leader, jailed in killings
Video: TMJ4 reports
Mourners: On holiday, families' thoughts turn to loss

Recent Coverage

11/24/04: Vang had previous trespass offense
11/24/04: Hunters' rituals slow only slightly
11/24/04: Ex-FBI agents speculate on mental state
11/24/04: Shooting survivor's condition improves
11/23/04: Suspect says other hunters fired first
11/23/04: Sunday's shooting has similarities to a 2001 killing
11/23/04: Hmong leaders decry shooting
11/23/04: Grievers comfort each other at prayer service
11/23/04: Editorial: Searching for answers
11/23/04: Suspect's Statement (PDF)
11/22/04: 6th victim dies from Sunday's shooting
11/22/04: Alleged shooter was avid hunter
11/22/04: Victims gathered at deer camp every year
11/21/04: 5 killed, 3 hurt in hunting rampage

Graphic/Enrique Rodriguez
What happened on 11/22

Victims Funds

The "Rice Lake Hunters Survivors and Victims Fund" c/o Dairy State Bank, 16 S. Main St., Rice Lake, WI, 54868. The phone number is (715) 234-9181.
The "Hmong Community Support Fund for Wisconsin Hunting Victims and Survivors," c/o University Bank, 200 University Ave. W., St. Paul, MN, 55103. The phone number is (651) 265-5600.

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The week before Chai Soua Vang, 36, went hunting on opening weekend in Wisconsin, he performed a funeral ritual in St. Paul.

"Other people think he's a killer - but in our culture, we just think he's a regular person," Ber Xiong of St. Paul said through his son, adding in English, "He's my friend."

In Stockton, Calif., where Vang lived in the 1990s, neighbors remembered him as a nice man who presided over a busy household that was often filled with visiting family members. He drove a semitrailer truck, and sometimes a bulk cement truck, so he was often away from home, but Vang told a neighbor that he wanted to move to Minnesota, seeking a better life for his wife and children.

Pheng Lo, executive director of the Lao Family Community of Stockton, remembered Vang as an outgoing guy with a friendly face. Which makes it so difficult for Lo to understand how the man he knew could be accused of shooting eight hunters and killing six of them.

"I said something must really, really have happened to him. He was so mad or angry, or maybe he had mental problems lately," Lo said.

Friends in disbelief
In St. Paul, Xiong, 42, said he felt confused and heartbroken after learning of his friend's arrest this week because he could not imagine him killing anyone.

"I thought, 'How could the problems happen so fast? He never had any problems before,' " Xiong said through the translation of his 14-year-old son, Dang Xiong.

Similar disbelief was echoed by some of Vang's St. Paul neighbors Thursday, as they gathered for Thanksgiving meals on the same block where the accused man's two-story yellow house stood with uncollected mail piling up in a basket on the porch.

"He's a nice guy," said next-door neighbor Koua Vang, who is not related. "He lived a quiet life."

Authorities said Vang, 36, told them he opened fire with an SKS semiautomatic rifle on a hunting party in Sawyer County on Sunday after being told he was trespassing on private land. Vang was sitting in a tree stand on private property when confronted. Witnesses said he climbed down from the stand, removed the scope from his rifle and began firing at the hunters who tried to flee but were shot, some in the back, as they ran through the forest.

Vang has given authorities a sharply different account of what happened, saying the shooting didn't start until after a tense, racially charged confrontation in which a hunter fired at him first. Vang is being held in Sawyer County Jail on cash bail of $2.5 million. Charges are expected to be filed Monday.

Wanting to know more
The conflicting stories have left Xiong hungry for more information.

"I want to know what happened. Did they say something bad to him for something to happen?" Xiong asked in his own English. "I'm so sad. I'm so sorry."

Xiong said he first met Vang in 2000 when a co-worker, who is a relative of Vang's, invited him along on a hunting trip. Xiong said Vang's passion for hunting was immediately apparent. He bagged a deer almost effortlessly and had a strong command of the Department of Natural Resources rules and regulations.

Although Xiong prefers to hunt in Minnesota because he thinks it's easier to differentiate between public and private land, Vang mostly liked to hunt in Wisconsin because he said he was familiar with the land divisions, Xiong said.

During one hunting trip to Green Lake, Wis., Xiong and Vang were issued $244 citations for trespassing. But Xiong said they believed the warden was mistaken because they were on public land.

The citation did not ruin the mood of the trip for Xiong, Vang and Xiong's then-12-year-old son, Dang, and they feasted on a homemade chicken and rice lunch Vang had packed, Xiong said.

If Xiong couldn't join Vang on hunting trips, Vang would stop by with packaged venison to share with his friends and neighbors.

A religious leader
In time, Xiong and Vang became friends outside of hunting, and Xiong said he learned his friend was a shaman, or respected spiritual leader for the Hmong community in the St. Paul-Minneapolis area.

While Vang was living in Stockton, Calif., he often participated in religious activities at his home, said a neighbor.

Gerzon Dominguez said he often heard the traditional handbells used in Hmong ceremonies coming from Vang's home. One time he remembers the family slaughtering a goat in their yard, another shaman practice that is common before traditional Hmong funerals.

Dominguez, 52, recalled Vang telling him that homes and land were cheaper in Minnesota and he figured he could get a better, higher-paying job to support his family.

"He was really the head of the family. His word is their word," Dominguez said in an interview Thursday afternoon at his duplex next to the light-blue duplex where Vang lived in the 1990s.

The Stockton neighborhood is culturally mixed with a number of Hmong families, though some neighbors said there aren't as many now because some Hmong families, like the Vangs, have moved away in recent years.

Vang was active in Stockton's Hmong community, volunteering his time for youth activities, Lo said. He helped organize youth sports games and leagues in soccer, volleyball and karate. He also arranged field trips for children and volunteered to help in the community's annual Hmong New Year celebration.

Hmong shaman are similar to medicine men in American Indian culture - people blessed with the gift to communicate with ancestors, said Lo Neng Kiatoukaysy, executive director of the Hmong/American Friendship Association in Milwaukee. They are called upon to perform spiritual ceremonies for sick or dying people in the community.

Kiatoukaysy said he could not confirm that Vang was a shaman because there is no official training or certification required for the esteemed title. But he said it was likely because in Hmong culture, every community is blessed with about five to 10 shaman.

"That means he must be really respected in the community," Kiatoukaysy said.

Vikki Ortiz reported from St. Paul; Nahal Toosi reported from Stockton, Calif. Meg Jones of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.

From the Nov. 26, 2004, editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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Ping to #52.

Also, there are many articles out there if you google "Chai Soua Vang." I will post some later today, but I have to first follow my priorities and study for tests coming up tomorrow and Tuesday. Then I'll come back to this.

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This tragedy reminds me of the problems our local shrimpers and crabbers faced back in the 70s when hoards of Vietnamese descended upon the Gulf Coast.

I don't remember anyone being killed, but there were lots of boats that were burned!

I'd bet 50% or more of Texas commercial fishermen are now foreign born.

Thanks for the ping. What are you studying?

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

"Other people think he's a killer - but in our culture, we just think he's a regular person,"

I'm speechless.

Yeah, they sure have a time adapting to our country, don't they?

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