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European Cardinal Calls for “Secularizing” Islam
Islam Online ^ | November 26, 2004 | IslamOnline.net

Posted on 11/26/2004 7:40:55 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John

CAIRO, November 26 (IslamOnline.net) - A leading European cardinal claimed that Islam could not integrate into Europe unless it makes a clear break between religion and state as Roman Catholicism went through after the French revolution.

Belgium's Cardinal Godfried Danneels is one of a few Catholic churchmen tipped as a possible successor to Pope John Paul II.

Danneels said in an interview with Reuters that Muslims should be ready to show more flexibility to interpret the Noble Qur’an.

"I think, I hope that it is possible to create a European Islam which has gone through its own French Revolution. It can already be found here or there," he said in the interview, published by the Express India newspaper.

Muslim scholars say Islam sees no separation between religion and life, believing that religion should be the common denominator in all the activities of daily life.

"Islam requires that we live our whole life, every aspect of life in obedience to Allah. We are not part-time servants of Allah," said Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, the former president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA).

"Our religion (Islam) is not against common sense rules and it recognizes that people of other religions and cultures also have a lot of good things and we can share with them those common values and cooperate with them," he said.

“No Contradiction”

Danneels argued though that Muslim communities in Europe should see the contradiction between following tenets of Islam and integration into western societies.

"I think Islam should do that. Christianity did it, especially under the influence of the French Revolution. Apart from its negative aspects, there were also good things, like the separation of church and state," he said.

There have been mounting European bids to allegedly reinterpret Islam on claims to help step up Muslim integration in the west.

Major Swiss Christian groups have called for establishing a government-supervised institute to educate Muslim imams on the "liberal" lifestyle in western societies.

Releasing a 20-point strategy to step up the Muslim integration into society, German integration minister Marieluise Beck said Tuesday, November 23, imams coming to Germany should have a knowledge of the German language and society.

“Moderate” Islam

Danneels, the archbishop for the Brussels-Mechelen region, also called on Muslims to adopt what he termed a "moderate" Islam that does not cover all social and economic aspects of life.

"This is fundamental. It is very difficult to talk to a monolithic Islam, because that comes down to 'take it or leave it' and the accomplishments of European history, culture and social order are not really integrated in that," he said.

He claimed that Islam should allow more flexible interpretation of its scriptures.

"That is fundamental, the willingness of Islam to interpret its texts, the Qur’an in particular," Danneels said.

Crusade Memory

The prominent European archbishop suggested both Muslims and westerners overcome their past differences and thrash out new ideas on furthering understanding between both sides.

"There are a lot of things which got stuck in the memory, for example of the Muslim communities -- even the memory of the Crusades is still very much alive," Danneels said.

He warned against confusing religion and fundamentalism, which he called "a pathology of religion".

"Whoever commits violence in the name of God... actually commits violence against God," he said.

"Whoever hates in the name of God, actually hates God himself."

Pope John Paul II on January 17, exhorted Christians, Muslims and Jews to bury the hatchet and work in tandem to rid the world of never-ending wars.

However, in May 2004 a German newspaper reported that the Vatican has been pumping huge amounts of funds into a very influential institution of the Catholic Church to halt the spread of Islam across the world.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aoc; belgium; catholicchurch; coc; danneels; eurabia; europeanmuslims; godfrieddanneels; islam; isna; moderateislam; muslims; swiss; switzerland; twocities; vatican
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1 posted on 11/26/2004 7:40:55 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Well if they can't see that they can stuff their Koran and Islam in their a... They have nothing to do in a modern society...

QED


2 posted on 11/26/2004 7:41:49 PM PST by Pitiricus
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

How about Castrating Islam? Or better yet...decapitating Islam.


3 posted on 11/26/2004 7:42:47 PM PST by Florida native
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
This link didn't post right:

Pope John Paul II on January 17,

Go here.

Sorry!

4 posted on 11/26/2004 7:43:20 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Daneels is one of the reasons why Europe is no longer Catholic--a symptom if not the cause.

There is a difference between separation of Church and State that relegates religion to a private little corner somewhere, and the ancient Christian idea of the two realms, which can be traced back to Augustine's "City of God" and behind that the words of Jesus: "Give unto Caesare that which is Caesar's; and unto God that which is God's."

This ancient Christian principle is very different from secularization or modernization, but regretably is not to be found in Islam.


6 posted on 11/26/2004 7:46:20 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

How can he even speak so nobly about the French Revolution?

They were executing clerics and having sex on the altars in churches during it.


7 posted on 11/26/2004 7:46:35 PM PST by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

That is bold... I like this guy.


8 posted on 11/26/2004 7:47:32 PM PST by Porterville (It's time to get mine)
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To: Lutonian

Question: how many are they? The silence of these muslims wfter Van Gogh's murder shows that they are not as integrated as you say...


9 posted on 11/26/2004 7:49:56 PM PST by Pitiricus
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

I think Christianizing Muslims would be better.


10 posted on 11/26/2004 7:52:33 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
As much as Christianity has been wiped out in Europe islam deserves no less.
12 posted on 11/26/2004 7:57:32 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

How long has this guy to live now?


13 posted on 11/26/2004 8:27:47 PM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

I hope that cardinal has good security, but it's about time Christian Europeans began instructing Muslim immigrants that "...when in Rome..." Every western nation should contribute to this institution trying to contain and stamp out that so-called religion.


14 posted on 11/26/2004 8:31:04 PM PST by eagle11 (I'd RATHER be watching FOX)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

THX.


15 posted on 11/26/2004 8:41:22 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Florida native

Trap, Neuter and Release


16 posted on 11/26/2004 8:46:21 PM PST by Podkayne
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Abra-Cadabra...


17 posted on 11/26/2004 8:48:21 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Anyone who suggest Secularization of Islam is naive at best.
18 posted on 11/26/2004 8:52:38 PM PST by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: Lutonian

"Does that include the many muslims who actually do integrate into Western life?"

Of course not. Those 26 people can go about their business.


19 posted on 11/26/2004 8:53:26 PM PST by MonaMars
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Comments?


20 posted on 11/26/2004 8:54:36 PM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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