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Shadow of Anti-Semitism over Ukraine's Disputed Election
The British Helsinki Human Rights Group ^ | 24 November 2004

Posted on 11/25/2004 8:56:53 AM PST by DTA

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To: MarMema
Thanks for the ping. I've been reading some of these threads, but I've refrained from comment because there is so much propaganda it's hard to tell what's really going on. The impression I have formed is that neither side is particularly savory. Ultimately, I'd like the outcome to truly reflect the wishes of the Ukrainian majority. Right now, it is impossible for me to determine what that really is.
21 posted on 11/25/2004 9:37:21 AM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi
Walesa coming to meditate stand-off Nov 24, 19:49

WARSAW (AP) - Lech Walesa, the founder of Poland's Solidarity movement, will travel to Ukraine to act as a mediator in the standoff over the disputed presidential elections there, his son said Nov. 24.

Walesa, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, had said Nov. 23 that he received a letter from Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko seeking his help in negotiating a resolution to the crisis.

Jaroslaw Walesa told The Associated Press that Walesa would leave for Kyiv early Nov. 25 for a one-day visit.

Lech Walesa told Polish news agency PAP that he wanted to meet outgoing President Leonid Kuchma and election rivals Yushchenko and Kremlin-backed Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych.

"I would like to meet each of them" and tell them "I don't want to interfere with your affairs, but as a neighbor I would like to help as much as I can," Walesa told PAP.

He said he wanted to avoid a situation similar to Poland's 1981 martial law crackdown against the Solidarity labor movement, which he called a "crime on the Polish nation" that "divided the nation, killed determination and drove many people from the country."

Walesa launched the Solidarity movement in 1980, rallying workers as part of eastern Europe's first free labor union. He presided over round-table talks in 1989 that led to the peaceful end of communism in Poland, and was elected president the following year.

kyivpost.com
22 posted on 11/25/2004 9:41:17 AM PST by cornelis
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta

Ping


23 posted on 11/25/2004 9:44:55 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: MarMema

Very interesting, especially the picture of Soviet "Pioneers".


24 posted on 11/25/2004 10:01:06 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: GarySpFc

ping


25 posted on 11/25/2004 10:18:49 AM PST by MarMema
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To: DTA

Jews in Ukraines have suffered horribly a lot under Communism. They were among the 7 million killed in the famine in the 1930s. Nikita Khruschev had almost every synangogue shut down and some were allowed to operated under constant surveillance. Now, they are victims again.


26 posted on 11/25/2004 10:20:27 AM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Grzegorz 246
PLEASE NOTE that the so called British Helsinki Group is NOT affiliated with the IHF

The BHHRG is merely a group of old Europe leftists who are trading on the legitimacy of the actual Helsinki Federation groups.

The fact that they also go under the name "OSCE Watch", is something of a dead giveaway as to where their actual agenda lies.

Contrary to the condemnations issued by the team of professional politicians and diplomats deployed by the OSCE mainly from NATO and EU states, the BHHRG observers did not see evidence of government-organized fraud nor of suppression of opposition media.
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In spite of concerns, BHHRG finds no reason to believe that the final result of the 2004 presidential election in Ukraine was not generally representative of genuine popular will.

Bunch o' f'n morons.

27 posted on 11/25/2004 10:55:46 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: ken21

Is Soros a Neo-Nazi?


28 posted on 11/25/2004 10:56:37 AM PST by MonitorMaid (Promise Keeper)
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To: MonitorMaid
>>>>>>Is Soros a Neo-Nazi?<<<<<

No. Soros is Old Nazi. In 1944 he was a member of the Hungarian Nazi "Arrow Crosses". It was at the time when hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being exterminated. Soros confirmed this himself in a book written by his father Tivador.

29 posted on 11/25/2004 11:06:50 AM PST by DTA (proud pajamista)
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To: MonitorMaid

being jewish, i hope soros is not a nazi.

i've wondered if he isn't one world goverment man.

if so, he's got problems. many in the world hate him.

the indonesians don't like him.


30 posted on 11/25/2004 11:07:19 AM PST by ken21 (against the democrat plantation.)
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To: Hoplite
>>>>>>Bunch o' f'n morons.<<<<<

Seems you got quite upset they exposed anti-semitism of your Nazi pals. Get over it. Nazism was defeated in 1945.

31 posted on 11/25/2004 11:13:43 AM PST by DTA (proud pajamista)
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To: ken21
"being jewish, i hope soros is not a nazi."

Soros is a Moscow puppet. He is busy destabilizing Western democracies in the interests of long-range Sino-Soviet strategy.
32 posted on 11/25/2004 11:30:04 AM PST by TapTheSource
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To: ken21; DTA

Thanks for the reply. I've heard the Soros name tossed around a bit during the election but was unsure of his agenda or group affiliation. I had figured him for either a commie or neo-nazi. I'm surprised to find out he is Jewish. He sounds like a troublemaker, whatever he is. sheesh.


33 posted on 11/25/2004 11:31:44 AM PST by MonitorMaid (Promise Keeper)
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To: MonitorMaid

Soros is a bugbear.


34 posted on 11/25/2004 11:32:08 AM PST by cornelis
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To: DTA
Check yourself, DTA.

Soros is a Hungarian Jew.

By the by, I hear that OTPOR is helping the Ukrainian opposition - so are they Nazis now too?

Lol.

35 posted on 11/25/2004 11:32:40 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: DTA; Alouette
This is one of those situations that it's almost impossible to comment on or know what is really happening. I don't doubt that there are extremely sinister and unsavory individuals and movements on both sides.

Since I define Nazism by its opposition to HaShem's people and Communism by its opposition to belief in HaShem, I am not one of those people who thinks one is "preferable" to the other. Anti-Semitism isn't an ethnic prejudice but a theological heresy that rejects the True G-d and His Chosen People.

May Mashiach HaMelekh be revealed to our troubled world soon, speedily, and in our day!

36 posted on 11/25/2004 11:34:41 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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To: Hoplite
Soros is a Hungarian Jew.

His name is Yiddish for "trouble" (tsuros)

37 posted on 11/25/2004 11:37:11 AM PST by Alouette (9 children, 12 grandchildren, 0 abortions.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
This is one of those situations that it's almost impossible to comment on or know what is really happening.

No, what's happened is election fraud.

38 posted on 11/25/2004 11:41:14 AM PST by cornelis
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To: Alouette
Hence the kvetching?
39 posted on 11/25/2004 11:47:27 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The only choice - if such a thing were possible - is a "Sophie's Choice" type scenario - Nazis will kill you outright for being Jewish - even if not a religous Jew - they are after eradicating the "blood". The Communists just may leave you alive if your are not religous and are not cought up in a purge of some sort.


40 posted on 11/25/2004 12:35:12 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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