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To: Types_with_Fist

Hi,

Here is my understanding of the situation...

Being Hungarian (neighbouring country) and leaving in the west I developed my viewpoints...
May seem unorthodox to some...

So after the fall of the soviets, Ukraine stayed like an orphan with a nuclear arsenal. The west offered them a deal: Give up the nukes and we sort you out economically...
They give up the nukes but the help always find some excuses before arriving. So people slowly developed some nostalgy toward the old regime, where at least was some bread on the table, and some politicians developed more Moscow-friendly attitudes...
In the mean time, the Worldbank and the IMF become frustrated because after managed to suck dry some countries like Bulgaria and Romania with a great success seen a great opportunity fading away...
So the George Soros and the similar types started feeding the opposition with ideas of revolution and introducing 'democracy' and captured some of the younger generation's mind and radicalise them.
The recepie will follow the Serbian and Georgian models.
Without actual proof of the counts and numbers, they rejects the election result and force the government to give in by frightening with unrest, strikes, civil war and so on...
Then in the name of 'free market' ideas everything valuable will be sold to the west, and the public will slowly shift back to the stone ages...

(it is intersting to remember the Serbian case. At the time it was looking like a 'real' revolution broadcasted by the media, but the following less publicised election shown that the people actually drifted back to the 'original' setup, making it clear that the 'revolution' was fake.)

Ukraine is a large country of 48 million people, with lot of resources but poor....

That is the best sign of disaster.

The current representation of a corrupt soviet style government vs the democratic western-friendly one is a bit slanted.

The real question is that how to drag Ukreine out of poverty?
Paying foreign investors to do that who promising quick success but my disappear with the profit, or try to sort it out 'in-house' with Russian help, so the good part of the profit stays in the country (minus the part lost due corruption)

I do not mind to see more democratic developments there, but in this case I have bad feeling about the 'too much' foreign interests...
Democracy can not sort out all the problems, and I think that democracy is rather a price, a target of a society, and not a magic switch you can turn on and suddenly everything become bright and rosy...


15 posted on 11/25/2004 7:03:25 AM PST by pocketdictator
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To: pocketdictator
The real question is that how to drag Ukreine out of poverty?

Step One: Don't go back to the old teat.

17 posted on 11/25/2004 7:08:07 AM PST by cornelis
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