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SOROS INTERFERING (In Ukraine) (March 2001)
Ukrainian News via Brama.com ^ | March 2, 2001 | Ukrainian News

Posted on 11/24/2004 9:34:43 PM PST by FairOpinion

KYIV, Mar. 2 (Ukrainian News) - Major international financier George Soros in a letter published by the Financial Times on Friday called on President Leonid Kuchma to step aside pending the outcome of an official investigation into the murder of journalist Georgy Gongadze.

State prosecutors ruled Gongadze’s death a murder this week after DNA tests showed a 99.9 percent probability that a headless body found in the outskirts of Kyiv last November belonged to the journalist.

The letter from Soros is the latest in high-profile appeals that Ukraine clean up its act with respect to democracy, the rule of law and press freedom.

U.S. President George W. Bush on Friday also sent a sharply-worded verbal message to Ukraine, delivered by United States ambassador to Ukraine Carlos Pasqual.

In the message, the U.S. warns Ukraine that the financial aid that the U.S. has been doling out to the economically-strained ex-Soviet state since it gained independence was at risk due to repressive measures by Ukrainian authorities against democratic processes.

In his letter, entitled "Step Aside, Mr. Kuchma," Soros calls on Kuchma to hand over his duties to Prime Minister Viktor Yushchenko while the investigation into Gongadze’s murder goes forward.

"If Mr. Kuchma cares about Ukraine's survival as an independent democratic state, he must take responsibility for his actions and hand over his duties to the Prime Minister ... pending the results of the investigation," Soros said in the letter.

According to Soros, an objective investigation into Gongadze’s murder and other crimes that Kuchma has been accused of was not realistic unless Kuchma stepped aside and allowed the investigation to go forward.

Audio recordings made secretly in Kuchma’s office appear to implicate the president in engineering Gongadze’s disappearance, in addition to other alleged criminal acts.

Soros also said that Kuchma's recent letter to the Financial Times showed that Kuchma "takes any opportunity to lash out at his opponents."

"If Mr. Kuchma remains recalcitrant, continues to harass political opponents and the media and drags his feet on the investigation, he risks relegating Ukraine to the same fate as neighboring Belarus..." Soros said.

In his letter Soros recalled his last meeting with Kuchma. Soros said he was "taken aback by the president's scathing, virulent remarks about Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine's prime minister, and Yulia Tymoshenko, the former deputy prime minister."

"And later I found myself in the uncomfortable position of urging Mr. Yushchenko to accommodate the president," Soros wrote.

George Soros heads the Open Society Institute, which has held several philanthropic programs in Ukraine in the past few years.

Soros also pointed out in the letter that he had been deeply involved in Ukraine by trying to help it make the transition from a closed to an open society by creating the Ukrainian Renaissance Foundation and giving Ukraine more than $100 million in support.

Read the full text of Soros’s letter published by the Financial Times at http://navigation.helper.realnames.com/framer/1/1/default.asp?realname=Financial+Times&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eft%2Ecom&frameid=1&providerid=1&uid=30013336


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KEYWORDS: conspiracy; soros; ukraine
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To: GopherGOPer
I posted this earlier:

If my President says this is the way to go then I trust him.
However Don't underestimate the devil. He works in the
shadows. If Yushchenko is for sale then I guess the poor
American taxpayer is going to have to outbid Soros. For in
the end both Putin and Soros are of great threat to the U.S.

I don't understand what is in the mind of the President.
He must know what he is doing.
121 posted on 11/25/2004 12:23:30 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

I am sure Bush knows, but I am not sure about Powell.

My observation is that the statements released by the White House were very carefully crafted, to approach the situation with the necessary care. Then Powell comes along making a statement, which may or may not have been approved by the White House, declaring the election in Ukraine invalid, but then went on that he talked with the Russian minister and are working on diplomatic resolution.

Yushchenko calling for a strike doesn't sound like a peaceful solution to me. I think the international community may have emboldened the Opposition.


122 posted on 11/25/2004 12:27:58 AM PST by FairOpinion (Happy Thanksgiving!)
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To: FairOpinion

At the first news, Yuschenko said the people would have to take to the streets and fight, while his opponent said he did not want to win on a crafted vote.


123 posted on 11/25/2004 12:29:52 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

It's like Solomon and the two Mothers claiming the child. The real Mother would rather give him up, than to see him hurt, the imposter would rather kill the child, than give him up.

The fact that Yushchenko is inciting civil unrest and even violence, than give up his claim, doesn't speak well of him in my book.


124 posted on 11/25/2004 12:31:46 AM PST by FairOpinion (Happy Thanksgiving!)
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To: DaveTesla

I'm not so sure Yushchenko is for sale. He's the candidate from the socialist party for goodness sakes. He's supported by every leftist group out there, including France, and the Chechen terrorists. He's pledged immediate withdrawal of troops from the War on terror.

I'd say if he was for sale, he's already been bought.


125 posted on 11/25/2004 12:34:23 AM PST by GopherGOPer
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To: FairOpinion
Powell is a loose cannon.
I think he aways tries to win by compromising
and winds up compromising the administration.
126 posted on 11/25/2004 12:34:53 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: GopherGOPer
So why do you think this is happening?
(The apparent support for him by the administration.)
Sure would like to be a fly on the wall of the oval office tomorrow.
To bad Hoover isn't still running the FBI.
We could just ask him....
127 posted on 11/25/2004 12:40:07 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Well I see support for a fair vote count. I think once its shown to be a valid count, and opened up, the US will send its seal of approval. I think that's what the President wants.

Especially as to how the leftist causes are already riled up at our own exit polls, and think that President Bush is out for Global Domination. The President sees it as a chance to show that elections should be free and clean. It has nothing to do with supporting a candidate. I think once again Powell put on his democrat hat and forgot he was speaking for the administration.

Anyway happy Thanksgiving to all, and to all a good night. I'm done, but if you respond, I'll probably reply tomorrow(which is actually today already) or so.


128 posted on 11/25/2004 12:46:44 AM PST by GopherGOPer
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To: FairOpinion
The "entire world" is against both the US and Russia, because these are the two world powers.

I said this before, but the bottom line is that weasel countries would love to see US and Russia both reduced to rubble


Ohh come on! Republicans animosity with Democrats and EU is frustrating for me. You may don’t agree with their views, we have democracy but saying that they are generally against US or they are the enemies it is nonsense.

Fact that Soros supporting Yuschenko doesn’t have any matter when the Ukrainians are fighting for simple rights to live in the free, democratic country. They are plenty of others which you respect and they all backing Yuschenko, including your president. Soros isn’t Ukrainian, then why this nation should live under KGB-Putin boot, because Soros support them? Nonsense.

Don’t believe some Russian propagandists on FR, cause the are RED, they supporting whatever Putin is doing.

And please don’t compare democratic countries like US with undemocratic with bandits in power like Russian Federation.
129 posted on 11/25/2004 8:02:52 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Lukasz

There is no proof that our president is supporting Yuschenko.
Our president supports a fair election, not a candidate.
Get your facts straight or post proof.


130 posted on 11/25/2004 8:13:42 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Officially Kwasniewski don’t support anyone as well. They are the politicians they cannot say who they support. In fact everyone knows that Poland supporting Yuschenko, maybe except of the populist-communistic party Samoobrona, but their opinion is meaningless. But same fact that they are against Yuschenko is significant.


131 posted on 11/25/2004 8:41:53 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Lukasz
Officially you and some others are just projecting.

Where I come from, if you don't have a link or something to back up what you say, you don't post it. If you do, you post it as opinion.

When you don't post it as opinion, then you are indeed the very propaganda master that you accuse Putin of being.

132 posted on 11/25/2004 8:45:43 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

bandit? Everyone in KGB is bandit. And what with his crimes in Chechnya? Arguments that they are Muslims don’t work with me, these Muslims didn’t started but Russians did it long before Beslan. Now his interference in Ukraine elections and whole Yanukovych election campaign It is the next proof of his political burglary.


133 posted on 11/25/2004 9:00:56 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Lukasz

We know you are a supporter of islamic terrorism here, but what this has to do with my post is beyond me.


134 posted on 11/25/2004 9:03:40 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
When you don't post it as opinion, then you are indeed the very propaganda master that you accuse Putin of being.

I just proofed that his is bandit. It is all that you can do in this discussion, calling me supporter of the terrorist?
135 posted on 11/25/2004 9:14:48 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: MarMema

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Earlier, you were explaining to the board that you have some kind of contact within the Russian Orthodox church (or perhaps a direct line with Putin) that demonstrates that Putin, despite being the former head of the KGB and communist, is a deeply religious man doing God's work. Kindly post a link to your assertions. For that matter, Yanukovitch is a common criminal. Here is a link to documents regarding his criminal matters:

http://www.ukrpravda.com/archive/2004/november/19/7.shtml

Please note, he is best known as the leader of the Donetsk mafia. His crimes, among others, include rape of a 16 year old girl. This is the man Putin would impose on Ukraine as its master. Makes Lukashenko look like a sweet guy. But Yanukovitch is Russian Orthodox, so all is forgiven.


136 posted on 11/25/2004 9:40:09 AM PST by Agog
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To: Agog
Earlier, you were explaining to the board that you have some kind of contact within the Russian Orthodox church (or perhaps a direct line with Putin) that demonstrates that Putin, despite being the former head of the KGB and communist, is a deeply religious man doing God's work.

Prove this with a link.

137 posted on 11/25/2004 9:59:28 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Here is the link you requested:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287715/posts?page=369#369

Therein your wrote:

"Putin is a member of our church. Therefore we know a great deal about his life, even though he doesn't share it in public with those outside the church. And I stand by Putin, as fellow Orthodox, without one moment of hesitation."


138 posted on 11/25/2004 5:57:01 PM PST by Agog
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To: Agog
You mis-interpreted. What I meant and what I said is that we know a lot about his life because we are members of the same church, and all of us do certain things in this church.

Next time, please ask. I never said a word about a private line or anything like that. You made that all up in your interpretation.

139 posted on 11/25/2004 9:56:07 PM PST by MarMema
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To: FairOpinion

Bump


140 posted on 11/26/2004 8:16:51 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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