Posted on 11/24/2004 10:09:53 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
There is a difference between "interest" and "intervention." It certainly is in our interest. We should know who are friends and who are enemies.
Guess what, actually Powell is pushing the European view, as usual.
Europe pressures Ukraine on poll
LONDON, England -- Europe stepped up pressure on Ukraine officials Wednesday to review the results of the disputed presidential poll, following a similar statement of support from the White House. Meanwhile, Russian authorities continued to support Ukraine officials.
German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder said the disputed election showed massive fraud.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/24/ukraine.reax/
Moral authority, LOL, puh-lease, I'm bout sick of that line .....
"... expended a tremendous amount of effort advancing the cause of Putin and his efforts to effect the anschluss of Ukraine."
Very well put. Moscow seems to have a lot of friends on this site. The ignorance and lack of reasoning are a real shame.
The Soros owned opposition has promised as one of their first actions to remove the 1,700 troops in Iraq. How does this and having a Soros owned puppet and an enlarged EU help America? I'm at a loss. This is as stupid as when we gave the Taliban $42 million in aid in the spring of 1991.
It has been widely reported that the exit polls showed the Ukrainian getting 10% more of the vote than the man who supposedly won. Actually, exit polls are used to help access whether or not elections are done legally in other countries, so they are important. Apparently, there are other reasons for believing that this was a rigged election. They need a way to verify.
Is there any chance that the EU will meet Russia in military terms in Ukraine? Like that never happened before.
Perhaps the people in that country can be "induced" start a civil war and NATO and the UN can bomb one side or the other and have another Balkan affair.
Just dandy, right?
So am I. Doesn't change the fact of the perception.
No kidding. How quickly an ideal like freedom gets tossed aside.
How were they the most numerous? Of the Kulaks killed 9 million from Russia, 5 million from Ukraine and 2 million from Belaruss. How were they the earliest, when the Bolshaviks held central and western Russia, Ukraine was under the rule of an anarchist who constantly switched sides. Yes, oxymoron, an anarchist who ruled a nation and had an organized army.
Exactly. It's not about the exit polls. We paid for them released them knowing what was going to happen.
It's funny how many who have decried DemonRat vote fraud in Philadelphia, Chicago, St. Louis, Cleveland, etc. are now cheering Putin and his voting fraud triumph in Ukraine.
The late Mayor Dailey and his mafia buddies would be proud of Putin and what he pulled off in Ukraine.
I am concerned that there will be military intervention, once more
Russia against the European powers. It could go real bad real fast.
Don't worry -we have paid off their psychoanalysts and they are being HYPMOTIZZZZZED at this very moment!
Ukraine has already said they will begin withdrawing from Iraq after the elections, so what's your point?
The Ukraine is at least twenty years away from being prepared to enter the EU, and there's no ambiguity about that. This is about whether Ukraine follows a path of reform and integration with the West or backslides toward stagnation and antagonism as a puppet of Russia.
We want a prosperous, reformist, democratic Ukraine not the bankrupt, regressive mafia-state it will be under Russian tutelage..
I think the leftist media is eating this up and is tryint to magnify it -- Europes is screaming as well, in the hopes of creating a rift between the US and Russia, because they know that as long as the US and Russia are allies, the rest of Europe and the leftists screamings are irrelevant.
So they try to blow this out of proportion -- and Powell is helping them. I can't wait for him to leave.
The White House issued a carefully worded statement, that they hope the issues will be resolved peacefully, then Powell goes and makes this radical pronouncement, echoing Schroeder. Thank God, he is on his way out.
I don't think so either, but I do think this provides the US (and much of the EU) with a common cause, a sort of way to work around the recent impasse which was engineered by those lying, crooked bastards in France.
I find it difficult to choose sides in this one. The challenger is a proponent of free-market capitalism (which is good), which is why Soros supports him so he can buy up the state-owned assets on the cheap as he has done elsewhere (which is frustrating to say the least). The incumbent government is by all accounts corrupt and supports state-owned industries, but has supported us in foreign affairs.
Ukrainian ambassadors summoned as EU demands election review
22.11.2004 - 14:42 CET | By Andrew Beatty
EUOBSERVER
http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=17823
Speaking of know nothings, I wonder whether this will cement relations between Russia and China or not.
The west is NOT going to confront Russia in any meaningful way regarding the Ukrane. In light of this, to raise the level of displeasure to this degree is just plain idiotic. It will do nothing but encourage the Ukranians to stand up to Russia, which they cannot do. It will thus cost Ukranian lives, which will turn out to be in vain.
The U.S. which gave cause for hope, will learn to live with Russia's actions, something they should have done without giving the Ukranians false hope.
You may not agree today, but in time this is exactly how it will play out.
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