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To: dsc; Canticle_of_Deborah

." It is Christ who acts, not the priest.If the priest has expressed the intention to "Do what the Church does" and never retracted it, his internal disposition is incidental. "

Christ can only act through a vessel (the priest) who is willing to be used for Christ's purpose. While it is true that the hertic or apostate could - in theory - offer a valid mass by consciously projecting the intention of the church - he would have to do so intentionally. For when he falls into unfaith, it cannot be otherwise presumed that he is performing the sacraments with the mind of Christ and his church for the corrrect intention. An intention made 25 years ago cannot necessarliy be presumed to still be true. There must be some manner of conscious affirmation.

It is for that reason that the curhc in the past went to great lengths to remove heretical and apostate priests from ministry - to ensure orthodoxy AND valid sacraments!


150 posted on 11/24/2004 8:34:44 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: thor76
While it is true that the hertic or apostate could - in theory - offer a valid mass by consciously projecting the intention of the church - he would have to do so intentionally

If the priest never retracts his intention to "Do as the Church does," it is presumed to be operative. The Sacraments are "ex opere operato." They are valid by the action itself, as long as matter and form are present.

The Church has held, from the beginning, that the disposition of the priest does not affect sacramental validity. Even a laicized priest can confect the Eucharist in cases of danger of death, plague, or mass illness, as long as he "intends to do what the Church does."

In any case, the original objection was to the Novus Ordo, and how NO Masses "might" be invalid.

That is a sinister attempt to undermine the Mass celebrated universally for 35 years. It seems that traddies cannot simply accept the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass.

They must tear down the Novus Ordo and invalidate it.

Why must you destroy the Mass celebrated by John Paul II, the Pope you claim to follow?

154 posted on 11/24/2004 8:52:37 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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