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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
You run to your "daddies" like a schoolgirl.

I assume you have no evidence to support your contention that the Ottaviani retraction was phony.

That's exactly what I thought.

126 posted on 11/24/2004 7:37:38 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: sinkspur

My daddies? I don't run to anyone for protection, least of all from you. I am more than capable of taking care of myself. I had to be.


128 posted on 11/24/2004 7:41:34 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur

**WARNING** Traddie publications. Automatically false by virtue of the sources < /s >

(3) Some have claimed that Cardinal Ottaviani in a 17 February 1970 letter “retracted” his position on the New Order of Mass. There is, however, a large body of circumstantial evidence which indicates that, if the Cardinal did indeed sign the letter, his signature was obtained fraudulently. The circumstantial evidence all points to the Cardinal’s secretary, Msgr. Gilberto Agustoni, as the culprit. Msgr. Agustoni, who played an important role in formulating the Ordo Missae which the Intervention so strongly condemned, had the motive and the opportunity to do the deed.

http://www.traditionalmass.org/Ottav%20Enduring%20Value.htm

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A purported letter of February 17, 1970, supposedly with the Cardinal's signature, was adduced to prove the story. However, by that date it is known that the Cardinal, then 80, was totally blind and would not have known what he was signing when presented with the purposed letter by his secretary, Msgr. Gilberto Agustoni. [Ed. Agustino was later made Bishop, then Cardinal, by John Paul II]

Now it has come to light that this Agustoni [Ed. and his brother, Fr. Luigi Agustino] was a member of the Consilium which that fabricated the "New Mass" and which the Arch-Architect of the New Order service, Hannibal Bugnini, led. At the time, Jean Madiran, the editor of the respected French journal Itineraires, publicly accused Agustoni of obtaining the Cardinal's signature by fraud. As a result, Agustoni was fired as the Cardinal's secretary.

So, it seems that Agustoni insinuated his way into becoming the Cardinal's secretary and in that position created a fraud in an attempt to undermine the Cardinal's public document, which questioned the validity of the New Order service, by a phony "retraction," which Agustoni had himself written with others. In any case, co-author Antonio Cardinal Bacci and the Roman theologians never "retracted," in any manner, shape, or form the devastating document, which they courageously published.

http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/ottavianiintervention.html

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You will also note, Cardinal Bacci and the other theologians never recanted.


136 posted on 11/24/2004 8:02:35 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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