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4 airplanes with Russian troops landed in Ivano-Frankivsk, UKRAINE
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Posted on 11/24/2004 8:39:57 AM PST by b2stealth

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To: Motherbear
Developments in several areas have made me just a bit uneasy with this administration --

Carolyn

41 posted on 11/24/2004 9:28:27 AM PST by CDHart
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To: Lukasz
IMO in US interest is not allow to rebuild Soviet Union, it means that US should take Yuschenko’s side.

So you'd prefer that Ukraine become George Soros' latest loot-and-leave effort, eh?

42 posted on 11/24/2004 9:28:27 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Lukasz
Iraq war has nothing to do with this elections.

But George Soros most assuredly does.

Soros' involvement makes me extremely suspicious of the opposition. What will he demand in return for supporting this guy? And how much will the US have to pay to bail out Ukraine after all is said and done?

43 posted on 11/24/2004 9:30:38 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah

Soros, huh?

That helps put things in perspective.

Thanks.


44 posted on 11/24/2004 9:35:38 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: Poohbah

It is just your opinion, but if it would be true, then YES I prefer Soros.


45 posted on 11/24/2004 9:35:43 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: b2stealth

I hope the Ukranian citizens are armed, or they are going back into the Soviet Republic. This is what the Russkies did to Poland in 1946.


46 posted on 11/24/2004 9:36:19 AM PST by expatpat
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To: California Patriot

Give everyone a break this is fairly complex to tackle, there is a lot to this whole topic.


47 posted on 11/24/2004 9:45:08 AM PST by keysguy (Trust the media as far as you can throw them)
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To: b2stealth

Ukrainian Debka? The opposition's ready made alarmist news?


48 posted on 11/24/2004 9:46:57 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: BenLurkin

My Debka thought exactly.


49 posted on 11/24/2004 9:47:20 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: b2stealth

Russia is invading Galicia.


50 posted on 11/24/2004 9:47:29 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: BenLurkin
"What exactly is going on in the Ukraine?"

Ukraine is a deeply divided country. The western parts are mostly eastern rite Catholic with many ties to Poland and the West. The eastern part is more Orthodox and Russian and is oriented towards Russia.

Yushchenko was the candidate of the western part of Ukraine, while Yanukovych has his support in the east.

Here's a map from parliamentary (the Ukranian parliament is called the Rada) election voting trends in 1996 indicating general opposition to leftist policies. Note the concentration of the opposition to the western parts of Ukraine.

51 posted on 11/24/2004 9:50:13 AM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: California Patriot; RichardW
CP, do you mean Communisim is an economic system. Or are you using the short hand Americans use to mean communisim=dictatorship? You can be a dictatorship and "capitalist" - See Pinochet or Franco - Taiwan - South Korea.

Communisim's - command economy and atheism - return? In that sense I thik you are way incorrect.

52 posted on 11/24/2004 9:51:25 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Poohbah
"So you'd prefer that Ukraine become George Soros' latest loot-and-leave effort, eh?"

Soros is not always on the wrong side of the argument, especially when it comes to eastern Europe.

53 posted on 11/24/2004 9:51:36 AM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: b2stealth

The election was a fraud, the white house has admitted as much, and asked Ukraine not to certify the results. The "bad guys" would appear to be those who would shove these results down the peoples throats.


54 posted on 11/24/2004 9:51:48 AM PST by notigar
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To: b2stealth

Two words...."spell check"


55 posted on 11/24/2004 9:52:17 AM PST by sofaman
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To: Lukasz
Free nation has the right to do what they want to do.

Exactly. So how would U.S. intervention be any different from Russian intervention?

Maybe this is something that the "free nation" needs to work out. If Putin sent 450 Russian troops, then the opposition in the Ukraine needs to match that one-for-one with Ukrainian troops. Just how far do you think Putin is willing to go to force the issue? How far will the Russian people let Putin go to force the issue? Putin's support at this point is symbolic at best. How much impact will this symbolic effort have on the Ukrainian people?

I don't think the U.S. has the resources nor the public will to support and defend a free nation, if that nation won't lift a finger to help itself.

As far as I'm concerned, the ball is in the Ukrainians court.

56 posted on 11/24/2004 9:55:36 AM PST by been_lurking
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To: Truthsayer20
Soros is not always on the wrong side of the argument, especially when it comes to eastern Europe.

Then he can live there.

57 posted on 11/24/2004 9:56:02 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: keysguy

Maybe I'd have more interest in your perspective
if you didn't roll three sentences into one.
Sub-literacy never inspires confidence.


58 posted on 11/24/2004 9:57:48 AM PST by California Patriot
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To: BenLurkin
Here's another map from the 1999 presidential elections. Blue color indicates low support for the Communist candidate.


59 posted on 11/24/2004 9:58:22 AM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: Destro

Yes, command economy and atheism.

Why wouldn't they return? The concepts seem to be powerful enough in the West.


60 posted on 11/24/2004 9:59:08 AM PST by California Patriot
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