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Muslim preacher wants Wilders to die
Expatica (Dutch) ^ | 24 November 2004 | SA

Posted on 11/24/2004 5:14:14 AM PST by Ginifer

AMSTERDAM — A Muslim preacher has provoked a storm of protest by admitting on Dutch television he wants parliamentarian Geert Wilders to die. Wilders, an independent Conservative MP, plans to set up a party "to tackle Islamic extremism" in the Netherlands.

Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven, 25, was asked on programme Het Elfde Uur on the evangelical broadcaster EO if he wanted Wilders, who faces death threats for criticising Islam, to die within the next two years.

Van de Ven told presenter Andries Kneuvel that he wished Wilders would die, preferrably due to illness.

But he said he hoped Wilders was not murdered by a Muslim and that murder in general was wrong.

He did admit however that he felt "some joy" on hearing of the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh on 2 November. Van Gogh was apparently killed because he made a short film featuring semi-naked women talking about domestic violence in Islamic society.

A Muslim, 26, who holds Moroccan and Dutch nationality, has been arrested for the killing.

Prosecutors say the murder suspect Mohammed B. was part of a group of extremist young Muslims. Several other people have been arrested as part of the investigation into Van Gogh's assassination.

Preacher Van de Ven used the television programme on Tuesday night to once again deny media accusations that his sermons in mosques have helped radicalise some of the suspects and drive them to violence.

Van de Ven made the distinction between a "wish and the act". He said one could wish in one's thoughts and prayers that a person might die, but not approve of murder.

Presenter Knevel told the media later he was very unhappy with the preacher's comments.

The programme received hundreds of reactions following the interview with Van de Ven. Some listeners were angry the programme had given Van de Ven a platform to express his views.

Immigration and Integration Minister Rita Verdonk said on Radio 1 news she was shocked at the views expressed by the preacher. "How can we in the Netherlands have sunk so low. I am really concerned about this," she said.

Verdonk was one of the politicians in the Netherlands who defended the principle of freedom of speech in the days after Van Gogh's murder.

Apart from the film Submission, Van Gogh had angered Muslims by referring to them in derogatory terms in articles and during interviews. On more than one occasion he referred to Muslim immigrants in the Netherlands as a "fifth column" and "goat f@ckers".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurotrash; jihadineurope; jihadinholland; koranimals; religionofpeace; religionofpieces
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1 posted on 11/24/2004 5:14:15 AM PST by Ginifer
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Europe's propping itself up with rabble from the Third World that refuses to assimilate and seeks to spread its own values. I don't think the brain-numbed socialist 'utopias' have the mental fortitude to fight off the flood they've asked for.
2 posted on 11/24/2004 5:17:36 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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The Dutch should make an example of this cleric

One way ticket to any Islamic paradise country of his choice.

Drop him off .................................at 30,000 feet.

3 posted on 11/24/2004 5:17:40 AM PST by Popman (Democrat Party Political Values are Condescension, Hypocrisy, Bigotry)
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To: Ginifer

Sounds like a job for the "Boondock Saints"


4 posted on 11/24/2004 5:17:56 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Ginifer

at what POINT do you think the moony faced liberals are going to WAKE up and realize this is a GLOBAL jihad? it may seem directed at us, but eventually it is going to hit everyone. HELLLOO???


5 posted on 11/24/2004 5:18:18 AM PST by wildwood
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"How can we in the Netherlands have sunk so low. I am really concerned about this," she said.

That's easy.
Open immigration policy to let any barbarian in
Society values based on tolerance above all things else.

Can you say liberal?

6 posted on 11/24/2004 5:22:29 AM PST by Popman (Democrat Party Political Values are Condescension, Hypocrisy, Bigotry)
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To: Ginifer

"Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven" imagine this dude's family reunion.


7 posted on 11/24/2004 5:26:58 AM PST by isom35
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Abdul-Jabbar van de Ven

I thought he played basketball for the Pistons.

8 posted on 11/24/2004 5:30:14 AM PST by JesseHousman
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"How can we in the Netherlands have sunk so low.

Great line...
9 posted on 11/24/2004 5:31:47 AM PST by Edgerunner (The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
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To: isom35

so is this guy a convert, a name changer or did his Muslim mother marry his Dutch father. makes it hard to deport him. can't wait for the blond terrorists.

Mrs VS


10 posted on 11/24/2004 5:32:59 AM PST by Anna Dubois
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die als baby met z’n kop waarschijnlijk een keer teveel op de kouwe tegels is gekletterd,

couldn't find pictures but I did find the above, which I translate as follows:

that as a baby on his head was geslammed by a devil in the towels gecovered

Mrs VS

11 posted on 11/24/2004 5:40:06 AM PST by Anna Dubois
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To: atomicpossum

You let in these guys by the drove through DV lottery, foreign student and other programs while barring other nationals from participating. Just visit the DV lottery site and read the statistics. Screw Europe, the enemy is at YOUR gate and within.


12 posted on 11/24/2004 5:40:32 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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Muslim preacher wants Wilders to die

What'd he ever do to YOU????

13 posted on 11/24/2004 5:42:12 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Anna Dubois
can't wait for the blond terrorists.

The Dutch are whipping up a batch right now. Even Wilder (who was interviewed on NPR this morning) says the answer (besides moratorium on immigration and deporting a few of the bad ones) is to give the rest free education and jobs so they will be happy little socialists. Well, one look at the 9/11 terrorists (happy little middle class jihadis) should tell him otherwise.

14 posted on 11/24/2004 5:42:51 AM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: Lazamataz

Someone should post a thread: "Muslims want Lazamataz to die" and see how many people miss the satire.


15 posted on 11/24/2004 5:44:28 AM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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"How can we in the Netherlands have sunk so low"

The Netherlands itself hasn't sunk so low, it's the immigrants whom you've allowed into your once safe country who are trying to sink you.

16 posted on 11/24/2004 5:45:23 AM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: palmer

Izzat a dare? ;^)


17 posted on 11/24/2004 5:47:39 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Ginifer

If they are criminals EXECUTE them, if they are not, DEPORT them.


18 posted on 11/24/2004 5:50:38 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: Anna Dubois

what is going on? I am posting as Veratatis Splendor and it is being signed Anna Dubois. posts 10 and 11 and maybe this one.

Mrs VS (veratatis splendor)


19 posted on 11/24/2004 5:50:38 AM PST by Anna Dubois
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To: Ginifer

Ah yes, another benefit of the spread of islam.


20 posted on 11/24/2004 5:56:18 AM PST by Fruitbat
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