There is a way out.
Posted on 11/23/2004 6:41:57 PM PST by Incorrigible
This is outrageous that two men would have the wherewithall to raise a boy. They're probably so wound up in after shave and designer belts in the morning to make sure the kid has a bowl of Froot Loops! That's where a woman should step in. In the least, they should hire a nanny to take care of details like making beds and checking the weather before the boy heads off to school. God knows the "fathers" are probably already wearing "rubbers" in case of rain.
Completely disgusting. God bless that little boy as he realizes what happened to his Country after 2000! Tort reform is hardly enough to reverse the decline of our standards. Let's hope our President can put the pieces together and take us back to the post WWII era of baby boom and economic explosion!
It should. Homosexuality is a mental disorder.
The same pervert who's offended that a Baby Einstein video is rated "Mom's #1 Choice".
Revolting! Nauseating. And just like these perverts! Part of what they want passed, is laws allowing for prostitution, homosexual sex in public bathrooms, lowering of minimum age for consent, and man/boy love.
Real nice environment for kids to be in. Anyone promoting this is guilty of neglect and abuse as far as I am concerned.
There is a way out.
Barf
No one is buying it.
It's not okay that we relegate children to the status of commodity just so homosexuals can play out their fantasies of normalcy.
The status of commodity was put on children with the first case of artificial insemination. Couples can now go to a fertility clinic and buy sperm or an egg and even have another woman carry the baby until birth.
In the end you may be able to end gay adoption but you will never be able to prohibit a fertility clinic from selling a baby's necessary ingredient.
I agree with you, they should, but won't.
I agree 100%.
But let's not pretend that a society where single women get pregnant on purpose or are artificially inseminated in order to play out their Mommy fantasies at 45 years old, we should be shocked that gays are doing the same thing.
"You do not have to be heterosexual to be a good parent. I know a lot of you don't like hearing that, but it is true."
The problem with this thinking is that it is the affluent, educated white gay and lesbian couples who are doing this now, because they have the resources. But, like life after Roe v. Wade and the Pill, when this behavior gets the stamp of government approval, you will have people from all walks of life trying this on for size. After Roe and the Pill, the rate of illegitimacy soared, as well as child abuse and neglect. Now nearly 75% of poor children are illegitimate. Think how conditions will be if any two people can have children and insist on their "rights" and taxpayer-supported "reproductive services" -- only to descend into chaotic and abusive behaviors when the going gets tough. I don't want to be around to watch this. Maybe secession isn't such a bad idea, after all.
"I have two couples in my social life that are gay male parenting couples, and both children are thriving. Both children are better off than if they had been with their druggie 'mothers.' "
The other problem with this thinking is that liberal ooze has long dominated the social work industry -- another fiefdom of leftism. Before the 60s came and ruined our nation, bad mothers weren't given chance after chance to ruin kids' lives. If they messed up, the child was taken away and given for adoption to families that wanted kids. And there were orphanages, like the one Dave Thomas grew up in (the founder of Wendy's). That was back when people knew right from wrong, didn't coddle criminals, and morality wasn't a bad word.
Naw. It's just a little anecdote. But there are worse kinds of parents than two good conservative gay people. Think of the straight parents who send their kids into the lake in their carseats, or chop off their arms, or bury them in concrete... Loving parents are best.
What sort of retaliation? Violence against gays?
"Think of the straight parents who send their kids into the lake in their carseats, or chop off their arms, or bury them in concrete... Loving parents are best."
Once again, apples to oranges. The percentages of biological parents who do this sort of thing are only a small percentage of all parents, and it is a smaller percentage than the percentage of gays or lesbians who abuse their children.
Dozens of recent studies continue to show that children who grow up with their biological parents outperform children from all other types of parenting situations in their physical, academic, social and emotional adjustment. Stop thinking only in stereotypes, and look at the big picture, backed by research. A mom and a dad are the best combination for the state to affirm as parents of children.
A few individual homosexuals may do as well as natural parents, but comparing the few high-achievers in this "trial promotion" period is not an appropriate way to evaluate a marriage policy for the entire nation. After the spotlight is off, standards may decline precipitously, especially if NAMBLA's agenda of promoting adult/child sex as its next item of business were to follow legalization of gay marriage.
"What sort of retaliation? Violence against gays?"
Yaelle, you are right to question this post. It would be reprehensible for people to take the law in their own hands or to commit violence. But it is something I often worry about for two reasons: first, the gay movement's determined use of the courts to force this decision on a majority Christian country is a little like passing a law mandating that all Orthodox Jews must now eat pork because pig farmers feel excluded from 14th Amendment protections. It just isn't right to force people to violate their conscience with the same Constitution that guarantees their right to that conscience in the first place.
Second: when you research the claims made by the gay rights movement that were instrumental in propelling it to greater visibility, you find Big Lies, such as Kinsey's claim that homosexuals are 10% of the population (wrong -- 2.5% at most, and some of those are bisexuals) and the American Medical Association's methodology behind declaring homosexuality "not a disorder" -- it was a political decision due to internal pressure from gay doctors, not a scientific decision based on research. And the AMA went on to suppress further research, especially any type of recovery therapy.
There are many more examples I could give as to why the rallying cries of the movement are based on false premises and lead vulnerable people into believing that they are the victims of bigotry, when in fact they are the victims of their own eagerness to believe things that are not true and never were true.
Going forward, even in the best of circumstances and conditions -- even if a socialist totalitarian government like the one the gay rights educational lobby wants to impose were to take over completely, homosexuals will always remain a very small percentage of the population. Reproduction depends on material from a male and a female, and most people would prefer the old-fashioned way. Those are the folks who have most of the babies and bring them up, teaching them by example what genders are, and what they are supposed to be.
Instead of understanding the true proportion of their minority status and adjusting accordingly, gays and lesbians are trying to take on 98% of the society and convert them to gay orthodoxy. Most people truly are tolerant, and that is why they have been silent from the 60s until this election. But the push-back has started, and this election's many plebiscites against gay marriage are one indication that Americans will use their legal franchise to uphold the best conditions for their children and grandchildren's future.
The Reconstruction period after the Civil War is an example of the dangers we face as a society. Immediately after the Civil War, former slaves enjoyed more freedom and even held public office in various locales. But cultural tensions soon gave way to ugliness -- too much change, too soon, and an overinterpretation of Lincoln's objectives in ending slavery, which stopped far short of overnight integration. To be truthful, we have not achieved integration to this day, nearly 140 years later. I'm not endorsing this situation, but I am observing its reality.
If I were to move to Italy tomorrow, I could not in good conscience expect to force the Italian government to provide English-language instruction for my children, silence the church bells in the steeples, or print my telephone bill in English. Why? Because I would be part of a very small minority. That's an irreducible condition of humanity. Sometimes you're the dog, and sometimes you're the hydrant. Our American commitment to equality is to provide opportunities, not guarantee outcomes.
Most Americans have moved far beyond the violence that characterized the Jim Crow era which followed Reconstruction (and which will be a blot on our history forever). But resistance to gay indoctrination in schools can be expected, via legislation or organized protests. Excluding homosexual parents and children from private social events, children's birthday parties and neighborhood play dates is another reaction gay parents can expect. Soon, gay "families" will have to ghettoize themselves to avoid the exasperation of biological families who do not subscribe to gay orthodoxy and cherish their freedom of association.
Women also tried to force equality through the ERA in the early 70s, and it failed. Although some women have become more visible, the average pay of women still lags behind men, after 30 years of politicking. The gay rights movement is going to have to accept some limitations and some compromises. Clearly, their goals are not dear to most people, and they are outright offensive and sinful to many people. This is not going to go away, just as opposition to abortion cannot go away, for the same reason: it violates the sacred covenant between humans and their Creator.
And just because a minority of Americans don't believe in a Creator doesn't mean there isn't One.
I don't like the way they rear their kids.
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