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Swift boat group weighs next step
The Hill.com ^ | 11/24/04 | Peter Savodnik

Posted on 11/23/2004 5:48:42 PM PST by freespirited

The controversial veterans group that trashed the war record of Democratic Sen. John Kerry during the presidential campaign and helped hand President Bush a second term will remain a potent force, according to an associate of the group.

Chris LaCivita, who was a paid political consultant to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the campaign but said he is no longer on the payroll, asserted that the organization, with 280 members nationwide, is pondering its next step.

patrick g. ryan An associate of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth says the group, known for attacking Sen. John Kerry’s war record, will remain a powerful force.

One possibility is that the Swiftvets will become a full-time public-relations outfit for veterans, LaCivita said.

The Kerry-Edwards campaign filed a complaint against the Swiftvets with the Federal Election Commission, but LaCivita said many conservatives are disgusted with what they see as a left-wing caricature of U.S. soldiers in Vietnam as “crazed hippies that went around mowing people down.”

The Swiftvets would seek to counter negative impressions of veterans. Referring to U.S. soldiers in battle, LaCivita, a former Marine who fought in the first Gulf War, said: “They endure a lot more, and they do a lot of good things people back home never hear about.”

Retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who oversaw the Swift boat operation in Vietnam and founded the anti-Kerry group, said members would probably be interested in fighting a future Kerry bid for the White House, which some Democrats say is possible.

“We have definitely an interest in continuing our work on the discharge and activities in regard to the POWs,” said Hoffmann, who retired from the Navy in 1978. He added, “At this point, we really haven’t made any firm decisions. We feel that our primary mission has been accomplished.”

John E. O’Neill, a co-founder of the group, sees the Swiftvets moving from political activity to veteran services. O’Neill, who served as a lieutenant in Vietnam, said he is heading back to his law practice full time.

Hoffmann said his group was not tied to any political party and will stay independent. Democrats allege that the 527 group, a category of political groups that is named after a clause in the tax code, worked illegally in concert with the Bush campaign.

David Wade, national press secretary in the Kerry campaign, characterized the Swiftvets as “a discredited and despicable Republican smear group caught doing George Bush’s dirty work.”

They were “scorned by real heroes like Max Cleland and John McCain,” Wade added.

Former Sen. Cleland (D-Ga.) lost three limbs in Vietnam, and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) spent years there as a prisoner of war.

Simon Rosenberg, president of the New Democrat Network and a contender for chairman of the Democratic National Committee, disparaged the group for “scandalous lies” and “underhanded campaign tactics” and said the media was “unbelievably irresponsible” for not being, in his view, a better watchdog.

Mike Russell, a Swift Boat Veterans spokesman who works at Creative Response Concepts, a media-relations firm in Alexandria, Va., says none of the group’s contentions about Kerry has been refuted.

Donations to the group had come from every state and sales of the book Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry by O’Neill and Jerome Corsi, which helped propel the group to national attention and sold more than 800,000 copies, Russell added.

Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist, said Swift Boat Veterans for Truth had “neutralized” the image of Kerry as war hero. “In viewing Kerry through that lens, the public saw a very different Kerry than they had just seen at the Democratic National Convention. It was not Lieutenant John Kerry reporting for duty. It was a scruffy, antiwar activist in fatigues dumping on his colleagues,” Sabato said, referring to images, repeatedly shown on television during the campaign, of Kerry testifying before Congress.

Sabato said he plans to question LaCivita about suspected ties between the veterans group and the Bush campaign when LaCivita takes part in the seventh annual American Democracy Conference, Dec. 3 at the Hotel Washington. The conference is co-sponsored by The Hotline and the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: johnkerry; johnoneill; kerrydefeat; next; sabato; swiftboatveterans; swiftvets
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To: Arizona
Their post card of thanks for a nominal contribution is a prized possession

Their cheap post card sent to everybody that donated will be worth big bucks 30 years from now. After all the antiwar correspondents have died or retired.

I hope that I am still here to cash in!

41 posted on 11/23/2004 6:16:43 PM PST by rocksblues (No more Kerry, no more polls!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Seen this?


42 posted on 11/23/2004 6:17:12 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Some good points have been made here. I think a number of people get an uncomfortable feeling when a champion prizefighter doesn't realize that he's just won the most important fight of his life. Since we love them, we are nervous that they will try to match a political performance that can't be matched, and fall short. They were there when they were most needed, but we don't want them to get overexposed and maybe devalued as a result. They are cast in bronze now.

It may be that their best contribution in the future will be to simply continue to draw the fire of the David Wades and the Simon Rosenbergs. I can see no better anti-advertsiement for the Democratic reputation that attacks upon a block of true heroes.
The more the Democrats try to disparage, the more pathetic they look.


43 posted on 11/23/2004 6:20:51 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: isom35

I would like to see them push for an indictment of Treason against sKerry. Tie him to the 1971 meeting in Kansas City where he and others discussed killing US Senators.


44 posted on 11/23/2004 6:21:29 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: NYTexan; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kudos, Tonk.


45 posted on 11/23/2004 6:21:41 PM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: freespirited

May the Swiftvets expand their horizons and remain in the public eye. I'm convinced their efforts did an immeasurable amount of harm to skerry's campaign -- and for that I will always be greatful.
Long live John O'Neill, and long live the Swiftvets!


46 posted on 11/23/2004 6:22:51 PM PST by Rightfootforward
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To: Rightfootforward

Pardon me. Meant to write, "...and for that I will always be GRATEFUL." Not, greatful. Sheesh!


47 posted on 11/23/2004 6:24:24 PM PST by Rightfootforward
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To: freespirited
Until John Kerry retires from office, I see no reason why these men should not keep holding his feet to the fire, should they wish to do so. If he sailed off into the sunset on the Scaramouche, then maybe I'd feel different. But not only hasn't JF-in'K sailed off, he still hasn't resolved questions about medals, discharges, Paris, Kansas City, POW/MIAs...

If those men want to help to get all the aforementioned cleared up, more power to them. If not, it is their call.

48 posted on 11/23/2004 6:24:39 PM PST by niteowl77 (No more NBC or MSNBC... ever.)
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To: freespirited
They were “scorned by real heroes like Max Cleland and John McCain,” Wade added.

First, McCain should have kept his mouth shut. He wasn't on Kerry's boat and he wasn't on any of the boats run by the Swifties.

Second, McCain said that the Swifties' charges of Kerry's 1971 testimony before the Senate were "fair game". The RATs and their media accomplises don't like to remember that.

49 posted on 11/23/2004 6:26:02 PM PST by jackbill
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To: freespirited
The Swiftees staying in business would be great news.

Indeed it would. And one way they could stay in business would be to continue to pursue the truth regarding John F'in Kerry's collaboration with the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong via Madame Binh on his liddle "honeymoon" (yeah, right) visit to Paris after he returned from his four month tour of Vietnam.

Kerry went to Paris, met with the Communists, and he returned to the U.S. parroting the so-called 'Peoples Peace Plan' which was nothing but Viet Cong propaganda calling for a unilateral U.S. pullout.

Kerry proceeded to incite rebellion and sedition with the subversive group VVAW, of which one member (Scott Camill) had advocated the assassination of pro-Vietnam war effort Senators. Upon learning of the scheme, Kerry did nothing whatsoever, didn't even notify the authorities of such a grotesque plot. But Kerry didn't forget about Camill, who worked for the Kerry campaign in Florida during the DemocRAT primary season.

There is still plenty of work for the Swifties to do, and I hope they'll get to do it.
50 posted on 11/23/2004 6:26:19 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

ping if you arent already here


51 posted on 11/23/2004 6:28:39 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: isom35

ping


52 posted on 11/23/2004 6:35:41 PM PST by Gibtx (pajamahadeen call to arms.....)
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To: ridesthemiles
I would like to see them push for an indictment of Treason against sKerry. Tie him to the 1971 meeting in Kansas City where he and others discussed killing US Senators.

The DOJ needs to either try Kerry for treason or we need to repeal those parts of the Constitution that Kerry was in clear violation of or the US Constitution means nothing if it can simply be ignored to create the appearance of get-alongedness, you don't create unity be trashing these foundations.

This traitor sits on the Senate intelligence committee and he has a fetish for conspiring with enemies against the USA. Even the fact that he didn't show up for meetings too often makes me suspect that he was creating plausible deniability.

53 posted on 11/23/2004 6:43:56 PM PST by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: isom35

"prevent his next senate re-election"

Uncover his discharge records and get him disqualified for office and tossed out of the Senate NOW!!!!!!


54 posted on 11/23/2004 6:44:48 PM PST by dalereed
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To: freespirited

We need these guys to remind of our heritage.


55 posted on 11/23/2004 6:50:44 PM PST by freekitty
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To: Mad Mammoth
There needs to be another Vietnam War Memorial, a museum that tells the true story, not just black wall of the dead. This is what they should do. They can tell Kerry's story there as part of a larger picture. I reckon back to the rally on the Mall that was on CSpan. This story needs to be put in context and one place in Washington for folks to learn and visit.
56 posted on 11/23/2004 6:56:31 PM PST by dalight
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To: freespirited; OneLoyalAmerican; Defender2; armyman; The Sailor; darkwing104; txradioguy; ...

David Wade, national press secretary in the Kerry campaign, characterized the Swiftvets as
“a discredited and despicable Republican smear group caught doing George Bush’s dirty work.”

Just as I predicted.

Hanoi Kerry lost so Dims now attack Viet Nam Vets, once again.

While 99 US Senators support Hanoi Kerry.

Come on Hanoi Kerry BRING IT ON!

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Distribute these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com/


57 posted on 11/23/2004 6:57:48 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Kerry is a traitor!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I don't think they should quit. They should continue research.

Then they should decommission this guy in Massachusetts.

He shouldn't be involved in any national decision making.


58 posted on 11/23/2004 7:01:23 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry said he was 'weighing the option of litigation' against the Swiftvets.
Any intel on his current plans, or has he changed his mind on that?


59 posted on 11/23/2004 7:01:26 PM PST by Darksheare (Love, stay thy hand)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

I am alone is sensing an anti-SBVT bias in this piece?

Not at all, I feel it too.


60 posted on 11/23/2004 7:03:11 PM PST by proudmilitarymrs (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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