Breaking News: Russian Troops Intervening in Ukraine Elections

Private Email from Election Observer in Ukraine | 11/23/2004 | Bob Schaffer

[Agog]

My post made it quite clear that I voted for Bush. Also, please explain how and why radar jamming devices would be used to blow up 400,000 tons of other explosives. As for accusing me of accusing our President of being a liar, I really don't follow how that follows. Your reply to me, as are the rest of your posts, consist almost entirely of non sequiturs and reflect an absence of logic which I find appalling. Did you sign up for Free Republic solely to inject Russian communist propaganda on this forum?

[Rocky Mountain Mama]

A simple explanation of what is going on:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287167/posts

Read the first post, by Dick Morris analyzing the vote. Ethnic Russians voted for Putin's guy; ethnic Ukrainians, 60% of the pop, voted for Yushchenko, who is trying to break Ukraine away from Moscow's domination.

[AdmSmith]

I do not think that jb6 or eluminate are communists they are just Orthodox Christians and are, as most of them here (Destro and MarMema etc.) supporters of the Russian authorities (read Russian Orthodox Church) whatever the Russians are doing.

[Agog]

Your point is well taken. However, the historical alliance between the Russian Orthodox church and the Communist authorities should also be taken into account.

[Grzegorz 246]

I have already wrote about Russian soldiers yesterday. We have also a Polish "Freeper", who is observer in Ukraine - I don't have any contact with him, so don't now If he is still there.

[AdmSmith]

True, but I don't thnk that the ordinary members of the Orthodox Church should be blamed for that.

I should have added "Lion in Winter" to the list.

[Grzegorz 246]

Exactly.

[Lukasz]

If someone blindly supporting commies, he is one of them. Russian politicians aren’t Orthodox! Those commies are all atheists.

[Agog]

Reports are that Yushchenko's first wife has been assassinated just outside of Bern, Switzerland. Two bullets to the heart.

[Agog]

Please forgive me, she was assassinated in September of this year. I apologize for the error.

[Happy2BMe]

It seems like the world is hopping from crisis - to - crisis at a pace unseen in a generation.

[wildandcrazyrussian]

What an astounding ignorance of history and mean-spirited arrogance! Your supposed historical "alliance" between Communists and Orthodox Church began in 1917 with the beginning of the executions of vast numbers of Orthodox Church hierarhcy, clergy and faithful, numbering in the tens of millions.

All the fine Orthodox Christian FR members you and others have accused of Communist sympathies are victims of your libel and I would suggest you apologize.

They and others were here on FR defending the Serbian people against Clinton's REAL alliance with Islamic terrorists back in 1999.

[AmericanInTokyo]

wow. flame war brewing. settlin' in with the popcorn...

[johnb838]

Did you happen to read the Last Jihad? There were some very exciting parts of that book that had to do with blackberries... people being hunted by intruders emailing to other people their location, calling in air strikes, that sort of thing. I may have to git me one of those. I'm in a buyin' mood. Election's over, I got a great new job, I want to BUY somethin'. Christmas? Bring, it, on!

[Agog]

The Russian Orthodox church had a deal with the communists that allowed them to survive, a deal with the devil. The repression of the Russian Orthodox church continued until they reached an accomodation with the communists. Afterwards, they merely became a tool for the Soviet government, including breaking the sanctity of the confessional and surviving at the expense of other Christian religions. I cannot apologize for what happened, although I do agree with the poster on this or a related thread that there are many Russian Orthodox adherents who are sincere and truly religious.

[bgarid]

>Read the first post, by Dick Morris analyzing the vote. Ethnic Russians voted for Putin's guy; ethnic Ukrainians, 60% of the pop, voted for Yushchenko, who is trying to break Ukraine away from Moscow's domination.

He is oversimplifying things to absurdity.

Fact is, three fourths of Ukrainian population are considered ethnic Ukrainian and ethnic Russians make almost a quarter of population.

However, most of ethnic Ukrainians are primarily Russian speakers. They are ethnic Ukrainian, but Russian speaking Ukrainian. Many of them speak Ukrainian just as well, but many others don't.

And since everybody in the Ukraine understands both languages(which are very similar and mutually intelligible anyway), this is usually no big deal. You can frequently see two people speaking to each other one in Ukrainian, the other in Russian and both understanding each other.

The line of divide in this election is not ethnic, with exception of Crimea, Ukrainains are a majority in every region of Ukraine. It's not even linguistic. The capital city of Kiev is a Russian speaking region, but Kiev supports Yushenko, while almost all other Russian-speaking regions in the east and south support Yanukovich.

The real divide is both geographic and civilizational. The people who voted for Yanukovich are from the more industrially developed and richer regions of Ukraine. They don't want to keep paying taxes which all go to support the dirty poor rural western regions and parasitic bureaucrats in Kiev. They really, really dislike the present government of Ukraine and make exception only for their compatriot Yanukovich (who joined the government only two years ago).

[Lion in Winter]

Oh, here you go.... and Hitler and Napolean
were baptised Roman Catholics. So WHAT?

[Lion in Winter]

It's the Balkans alover again. I knew this was coming!!

[MarMema]

We suspect they hate Russia because of their end times fabrications.

This in spite of the fact that Israel is supporting Russia to the hilt after Beslan.

I was amazed to read this thread and see how popular I have become. I might be more widely read than a lot of bloggers, though of course all those who slammed me here "forgot" to ping me....displaying their level of respect for others and civility in the process.

[MarMema]

Hey. Nice to see you around again.