Left Preparing For Holiday Table Talk With Conservative Relatives- Here's Their Textbook

Don't Think of An Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame The Debate | 11/23/04 | George Lakoff

[dukeman]

Forewarned is forearmed.

After culling out the left-wing premises, there's actually some practical technique for dealing with people contained in Dr. Lakoff's words.

I hope you all have a tranquil time around your holidy tables. Oh, yeah- Nurturant season's greetings! :-)

[gotmatt]

Stay away from set-ups. Fox News shows and other rabidly conservative shows try to put you in an impossible situation, where a conservative host sets the frame and insists on it, where you don’t control the floor, can’t present your case, and are not accorded enough respect to be taken seriously. If the game is fixed, don’t play.

I personally take offense to this statement, i work in news and EVERY SINGLE NEWS ORGANIZATION PRODUCER(not host) sets up a tight frame. they have commercial breaks to take, on time, or advertisers call IMMEDIATELY after the show... they have 7-10min segments at most and 2 or 3 people to talk in that time frame. UGH. i wish these people would find out what goes on behind the scenes before talking smack.

[Prime Choice]

Know Your Enemy BUMP.

I'd love to spend some time ripping this Leftist nonsense to ribbons, but my blood sugar is presently FUBAR'd and I think I'm gonna go lie down now.

[dead]

But because conservatives have commandeered so much of the language, progressives are often put on the defensive with little or nothing to say in response.

Yeah, stupid conservatives are always bringing “language” to debates.

Language relies too heavily on logic, coherence, and clarity.

If only the left could invent a language-free debate format based solely on confused emotions, tantrums, and rage.

[gotmatt]

i forgot one point. every news person HAS to be in control, if i go out on an interview and someone tries to hold the mic, i yank it back out of their hands, it's typical protocol, next time you watch the news watch an interview, the interviewee NEVER touches the mic. what if they went off and started cussing or whatever.

[Buckeye McFrog]

do ya think guys like Michael Moore are seriously capable of taking this advice? NOT!!

[WorkingClassFilth]

Please note that this is, in essence, a tip sheet for acting a certain way to deceive the listener audience.

The key to these debates to keep the focus on facts in relation to the constitution and traditional American government. The Left only has emotion and rhetorical trickery to rely on because the majority of people will side with conservatives if the proper perspective is given with context.

Enjoy the turkey on your plate, but also be sure to carve up the Leftist turkeys in your family anywhere between the Thanksgiving prayer and the pumpkin pie.

[NEPA]

This almost reads like satire, especially the part about fathers being detrimental: the strict father family model, which is bad enough for raising children ...

Never mind that chidren raised in fatherless homes are more likely to use drugs, drop out of school, end up in jail, and be parents while still in their teens. I can't take seriously anyone who ignores the obvious.

[WIladyconservative]

OMG - this sounds like every Thanksgiving conversation I've ever had with my broken-glass-liberal family!

[papertyger]

Great Post!

Note that every tactic requires they control the debate. A liberal can never win the argument without your cooperation.

[cripplecreek]

I'm pretty quiet at the holiday table. Most of my liberal relatives are more intelligent that your average DUmmie. The one aunt that isn't too bright is going on some international healing mission to a Canadian indian reservation with a bunch of muslim "peace activists".

She's mad at me anyway. I asked if she was going to learn to make a bomb belt out of natural beads and fibers.

[glock rocks]

We win with civil discourse and respectful cooperative conversation.

That's why you're losers... you find that so easy to say before you start in screaming slogans again. Parade the homeless. Global warming. What the hell do I know? I'm just a STUPID conservative.

Good Lord, put down the bong.

[dukeman]

If only the left could invent a language-free debate format based solely on confused emotions, tantrums, and rage

LOL!

[cubreporter]

We are trying to stay away from discussing politics and religion with anyone. It's better that way.

[Not A Snowbird]

You can make considerable progress with biconceptuals

Bi--what?!

[Aeronaut]

A liberal can never win the argument without your cooperation.

It's true. But I am a polite person, and the fam (2 school teachers, 2 retired school teachers and a lawyer) go for fast talk and amplitude. Hard to beat because the debate is not civil. One-on-one in an unemotional debate and I can shred their arguements, but my politeness causes me to not give up but to shut up.

[tet68]

I thought they already had.

[dead]

After reading all these threads about the horror people have to endure during holiday meals with their family, I realize how good I have it.

I am one of six siblings, five of whom are married, and there isn't a hint of liberalism in a single one of us or our spouses.

We argue over things like "Who would have been a bigger disaster - Gore or Kerry?" and "Which Kennedy family member was the biggest scumbag?"

(BTW, the correct answers are Gore and Skakel (a darkhorse from the fringe, edging out Teddy and that dead baby-sitter raping one.)

[who knows what evil?]

Democrats aren't allowed to darken my door; even if they are relatives. Problem solved.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I'm guessing that is child that is conceived by people who swing both ways?