Posted on 11/23/2004 11:06:28 AM PST by mafree
Eight hunters had one gun? I carry two when I hunt...
There're those around here who think being p*ssed off is a excuse enough to kill somebody. They're over on another thread excusing some woman for shooting her husband in the back. Makes me sick.
six dead.
One more died in the hospital
"I'd never for a second say that these victims were beyond calling someone racial or other names, especially someone trespassing on their property. I just doubt that whatever they did was a sufficient excuse for Vang to shoot them.
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I'd certainly agree with that. Apparently, only one of the others was armed at all. Pretty hard to claim self defense against a bunch of unarmed people. It may have started that way...just possibly...but it sure didn't end that way.
Maybe or probably.
He still went over the edge and will have to face the consequences.
If he meted out some frontier justice, part of it is paying for it.
One more died in the hospital
Oh jeez.
Also -didn't the hunters make a call out to anyone in the area to help, and the guys who came were shot, as well?
What, they showed up and the first thing they said was a racial epithet, before being shot?
He must have gotten a lawyer.
Doesn't pass the smell test, IMO. Wait and see what develops.
Yeah, right. Now way this guy gets off on self-defense. It's either the maximum penalty for multiple second-degree murders (it hardly seems premeditated), or he mounts a defense based on some sort of post-traumatic stress disorder resulting from maltreatment by the communists in Laos in his youth--assuming he spent his youth in Laos--and goes to a psych ward for a very long time.
"I was deathly afraid one morning in a duck blind that something very bad was going down. "
Bad things happen, for sure. I was deer hunting in the high Sierras in California many years ago on opening weekend. This hunting happens from about 7000-8000 feet in altitude, and the hunting method is to find a location on the mountain that overlooks a likely game trail, then perch there among the rocks and wait. Shooting ranges run between 150-300 yards.
I had a spot overlooking a canyon and had settled in, and was scoping the terrain with my binoculars. I had the mandatory orange vest and hat on.
Suddenly, I was showered with rock chips, then heard a shot. I got down immediately, and started scoping the area again, from a narrow cavity in the rocks. Across the canyon, maybe 400 yards away was another hunter, with his rifle aimed directly at the rocks I was now crouched behind. I think he saw the flash from my binoculars, and gave me the finger.
The SOB had fired at me. I guess he didn't like it that I was watching the same canyon he was. But that isn't how it works in the Sierras. You find a rock, and you wait. Nobody gets to claim an entire canyon. This is big country.
So, I had some choices. I could stand my ground, fire back at him, or leave. I left, keeping cover between myself and this homicidal idiot as much as possible. He didn't fire again. I went over a ridge and found another hunting spot. Got a nice buck, too.
There are some wierd folks out there hunting sometimes.
"give me a damn break. (nothing personal Mineral Man)
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Look, I'm not defending the guy in any way. The thing could possibly...just possibly...have started with some sort of threat from the other guy, I suppose. But it certainly wasn't self-defense on all eight people.
It's not a matter of guilt or innocence, in my mind. I just want to know all the facts of this. I'm waiting to see what comes out.
Sixth Shooting Victim Dies
November 22, 2004
Andrew Fefer
The Sawyer County sheriff says there are thousands of acres of public land in that area available for hunting, but the dispute took place at midday Sunday on four-hundred acres of private land.
When the landowner saw 36-year-old Chai Vang in a tree stand without permission, he radioed to his hunting party.
"He stated over the radio he was going to go and ask the persons to leave," said Sheriff Jim Meier. "He approached the person and asked him to leave at which time the landowners and occupants of the cabin that he was staying at also came on the scene; the suspect got down from the stand, walked about 40 yards, fiddled with his rifle, maybe took the scope off, turned, and opened fire on the group."
That's when Terry Willard radioed for help, but as seven other people came to assist, they became victims as well. Finally, a few other members of the party were able to make a run for help.
"The rescuers, who also came under fire, checked the bodies for signs of life and they grabbed who they could grab and got out of there because they were still under fire."
As the survivors sped toward Birchwood, the shooter reportedly stayed in the woods for another five hours, his exact movements not clear until he was seen by two other hunters.
"They came upon the subject, he reported he was lost, they didn't realize who they were talking to, so out of the goodness of their hearts, they gave him a ride back out at which time they had realized they had Mr. Vang in their presence and offered him a ride to the warden's truck, at which time he was taken into custody."
The suspect, Vang, was described as calm and cooperative, saying nothing that would indicate what specifically led to the gunshots that left victims, dead and wounded, scattered over an area of about a hundred yards.
The Chicago papers are reporting the race-card angle within the sixth or seventh paragraph of each story, the MSM is truly pathetic.
I asked my husband how many guns he carries when he hunts - he said three. On occasion he has to work at a nearby nuclear plant where absolutely no guns are allowed. He'll come by my office and transfer at least a half and dozen from his vehicle to mine for safekeeping.
I'm kind of amazed that he got all 6- maybe they did only have one gun between them.
Thank you. It still seems odd to me that the people who had been called (especially considering why they were called) came unarmed.
Another minority who was forced to murder 5 innocent people. I bet he hires Wen Ho Lee's (Chinese spy at Los Alamos) attorney.
Executed this guy after the trial and deport his family.
I think they thought they were just dealing with a trespasser, hence only one gun between them. If the one with the gun was one of those who were shot first, they all were defenseless. Makes me sick he may get off playing the race card and/or insanity defense.
Smart move. This guy will try it with the wrong guy and they may find his rottong corpse out there. In my case if I could have got out of that blind I would have. It escalated in a matter of seconds. Two of the guys in the boat were real hotheads. We were all set up in the blind, guns loaded in our hands. They were in a boat with their guns on the bottom except for the guy at the back, he had it across one leg with a hand on it. He was trying to calm the other two down. If they had picked up a gun it would have gone bad real quick. It ruined my day.
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