[LowCountryJoe]

You know what's weak, not answering my question regarding your support for tariffs back in post #40. It's typical though, you can't defend a position so you move on to something new...and when that doesn't work either, you resort to calling the argument weak. let's try a different approach, abandoning the tariff argument that you cannot defend, for the moment. Show me that there's no American ownership of some of China's means of production.

[Bikers4Bush]

Please show me where I abandoned my call for tariffs?

[Bikers4Bush]

And as for the ownership of China's production I can tell you that you are out of your league here son.

We manufacture in China but we don't own the facilities or the property. The Chinese government won't let us. We have tried to purchase land etc. but we are not permitted to do so.

In addition, we know very well that the chinese government has agents working in our facilities stealing our proprietary information. Again, we can't do a damn thing because we don't own a damn thing and therefore have no standing in their eyes. Unfortunately for us our stockholders demand results and want us in the chinese market due to it's size. You see they want us positioned there for the future. What they have failed to recognize however are the risks associated with that position in the present.

We have already identified two other facilities within China knocking off our products and yet again, we can do nothing.

How are they knocking us off so easily? I refer you to the agents they have working in our facilities.

Here's the best part about this. The facilities that are knocking us off? They're selling our products overseas and not in the U.S. It's a perfect copy, right down to the label.