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1 posted on 11/22/2004 4:16:31 PM PST by milestogo
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To: milestogo
Let us hope that the leadership of all major Muslim organizations will now take the initiative to develop this much-needed common community platform for the welfare of us all.

GEEZ

2 posted on 11/22/2004 4:20:55 PM PST by rocksblues (No more Kerry, no more polls!)
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To: milestogo

The Saudi $$$$$ must be weaned out otherwise the Wahhabists rule, that's NOT a good thing.


3 posted on 11/22/2004 4:21:53 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((DO IT NOW, if you haven't put up a flag on your FR homepage yet,PLEASE))
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To: milestogo
Thus it is obvious that the above organizations are very credible and very representative of the Muslims who live in the US.

Errmmm OK.

CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror - by Daniel Pipes

4 posted on 11/22/2004 4:22:47 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: milestogo

I guess they want to have a high command to both direct and deny being involved in terrorist operations. Ship 'em all back where they came from, and those born here should be given a plane ticket (one way!) to the mohammedan rathole of their choice!


5 posted on 11/22/2004 4:23:39 PM PST by Bombardier (Jihad, Nazism....Umma, Deutsches Reich.....no diff.)
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To: milestogo

They have a lot to learn, and like the Belgians
we are going to teach them.

We have a representative democratic republic,
no King, no Queen, no Prime Minister and
NO PARLIAMENT!


6 posted on 11/22/2004 4:24:28 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: milestogo
List of Islamist Organizations under U.S. Senate Scrutiny

Al Haramain Foundation
Alavi Foundation
Benevolence International Foundation (BIF)
Global Relief Foundation (GRF)
Help the Needy
Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF)
Human Appeal International
Institute of Islamic and Arabic Science in America (IIASA)
International Islamic Relief Organization
International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) or Internal Relief Organization(IRO)
Islamic African Relief Agency and/or Islamic American Relief Agency
Islamic Assembly of North American
Islamic Association for Palestine
Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)
Islamic Foundation of America
Islamic Society of North America
Kind Hearts
Muslim Arab Youth Association (MAYA)
Muslim Student Association
Muslim World League
Rabita Trust
SAAR Foundation and all members and related entities
Solidarity International and/or Solidarity USA
United Association for Studies and Research (USAR)
World Assembly of Muslim Youth

9 posted on 11/22/2004 4:27:32 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: milestogo
Our President and Congress want to increase the size and influence of Islam in America. Why else have they done nothing to reduce it's influx? Why else are they cheerfully issuing 100,000 green cards to alien Muslims, year after year even after 9-11.
10 posted on 11/22/2004 4:27:38 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Congress to stop Islamic immigration.)
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To: milestogo

I've been concerned that something like this was going to happen and that at some point, the Muslims would place their politicians in positions of power locally, then States wide, then Federally. Each of those "blue" States first and then gradually as many "red" States as possible.

It's called something like "tolerance" or "inclusion" and what it begets is a THEOCRATIC Country with an IMAM as "President."

And most of us "here" will either accept Islam or become 'headless' -- or maybe form an underground.

At least we won't have to worry about Hilery being placed in a position of power in an Islamic United States.


12 posted on 11/22/2004 4:29:18 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (I had this inventive tagline, but the dogs ate it.)
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To: milestogo

Over my dead body.....


13 posted on 11/22/2004 4:30:46 PM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: milestogo
‘Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth’ --Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
14 posted on 11/22/2004 4:35:23 PM PST by Mark Felton (We are free because we are Christian. There is no other reason.)
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To: milestogo
I would guess, speaking only for myself, that when any Muslim group or groups in America PUBLICALLY and VEHEMENTLY decry and disavow any acts and or beliefs of the radical elements, PUBLICALLY COMDEM terrorist acts committed by radical elements both at home and abroad, Americans will hear your voices.

Regardless of the leftist "tolerant world view" You will be known by the company you keep. You will need "7 times 7" the efforts in both your words and deeds to regain the trust and respect of "the rest of America". If you remain silent on the evil that lurks in your house, the evil will visit itself upon you. If you fail to spread the peace of Allah in the land of your home, the war will be on your doorstep.

17 posted on 11/22/2004 4:40:22 PM PST by xcamel (W2: Four more years of Tax Cuts and Dead Terrorists)
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To: milestogo

One more 9/11 attack and we won't have to worry about Muslims living in America. PERIOD
They'll all have to pack up their bags and baggage and go back to the hellhole from whence they came.


20 posted on 11/22/2004 4:56:15 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: milestogo

So, let's see, there are estimated 6 million muslims in the U.S. and 10,000 or more show up. Hmmm.....and what's the subscription numbers for those magazines?

I'd say based on the numbers, those organizations are NOT "representative of the Muslim American community".
And so do muslims say that.

But we know where this guy stands.


22 posted on 11/22/2004 4:58:36 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: milestogo
A brief note on C.A.I.R. tactics . .

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Lies, Misinformation and CAIR
By Evan McCormick
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 1, 2003


It has become something of an annual tradition.  Every year, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) releases a civil rights report that documents cases of anti-Muslim discrimination in America.  Every year, CAIR reports an increase in the number of such cases.  And every year, these claims are supported by questionable information and statistical manipulation.

Recently, however, the reports have taken on a new dimension.  Instead of simply arguing that discrimination is on the rise, CAIR has sought to identify the Bush administration as the culprit in this trend.  This year's report, for example, related a 15% increase in hate crimes to, the U.S. Government's continuing reaction to the terrorist attacks of September 11th.

Vilifying the Bush administration has been CAIR's modus operandi since the September 11th terrorist attacks.  No aspect of the war on terror has escaped criticism by the Council's media machine.  The 2002 civil rights report, titled Stereotypes and Civil Liberties was CAIR's first formal attempt to portray the backlash against Muslim Americans after September 11 as an outgrowth of policies that the administration established to bring terrorists and their financiers to justice.  

Stereotypes and Civil Liberties followed the standard CAIR civil rights report blueprint.  It documented hundreds of unsubstantiated claims of discrimination and harassment suffered by Muslims, grouping together the truly heinous with the outright ridiculous, and placing all of the blame on the Federal Government.  Where the 2002 report differed from previous CAIR reports was a section titled, September 11 Anti-Muslim Incidents, which was confined to the time period immediately following the 2001 attacks.  For statistical purposes, these 1,717 instances were excepted from the yearly total. 

For such a large assertion, one might expect CAIR to present supporting evidence, but they did not.  Although the number of backlash incidents in 2001 were more than three times higher than incidents during the rest of the year, not one account or example was given.

The introduction explained that a different collection methodology was applied to the post-September 11 backlash calculation, by which individual violations were counted instead of incidents.  Thus, the introduction states, a single report of hate violence and harassment may include more than one instance.  Without a shred of evidence, we will can know what liberties CAIR took in totaling singular instances in order to arrive at its massive total. 

What is even more alarming than CAIR's specious reasoning is its conclusion that the Bush Administration and its anti-terror policies are singularly responsible for the alleged 1,717 anti-Muslim incidents. For instance, the CAIR report, while initially praising the President's efforts to verbally distinguish between ordinary Muslims and the September 11th attackers, also alleged that, since that initial period of support, a number of government policies have singled out American Muslim organizations and immigrants from Muslim countries.

The suspect policies include the USA Patriot Act of 2001, the detention of illegal immigrants, the closure of Muslim charities suspected of raising funds and diverting them to terror organizations, raids on the homes and businesses of suspected terrorist supporters, and voluntary interviews with legal visa-holders.  The reader should not be fooled into believing that CAIR is protesting these policies merely in the name of civil rights, for in the report, CAIR specifically defends several groups that have been targeted by government action.

For example, the report stated that the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) had its assets frozen in December of 2001 for its suspected support of the terrorist group Hamas and deemed a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.  In defense of the group, CAIR stated that, HLF has insisted that its social and health services have been extended to assist Palestinian orphans, widows, and poor persons irrespective of political views.¡¨  CAIR made no mention of the investigation of the HLF that had been ongoing since 1996, nor of public statements by officials involved in the operation regarding the charity's support of Hamas.  HLF's claim of innocence was enough to elicit CAIR's condemnation of the administration's actions and it even compelled CAIR to denounce the investigation as  a religiously motivated act of discrimination.  In January of 2003, a three-judge panel of the US Court of Appeals ruled that the Treasury Department had acted appropriately and with overwhelming evidence in freezing the group's assets.  CAIR's allegiances, it would seem, are misplaced.

What effect does this campaign of misinformation produce?  By convincing moderate Muslims that they are being targeted unfairly by the Bush administration's policies, CAIR incites fear among members of that demographic.  If innocent Muslims are then convinced that they will be the target of government action, then they have no incentive to reject an extremist ideology that resists the government's anti-terror policies.  Not coincidentally, it is CAIR that provides this political outlet.  This is the essence of CAIR's strategy: shock moderate Muslims about the motivations of the U.S. Government, turn them into post-911 victims, and then recruit them as supporters for your political agenda when they are ripe for the taking.

Perhaps it would do us well to ask who CAIR seeks to reach with their civil rights reports.  We can immediately rule out terrorists and those who illegally support terrorists in this country, for they are fully aware of their actions, and discrimination by the government is the least of their worries.  We may also discount current officials and members of CAIR, for they are so devoted to the group's anti-administration stance that the results revealed in the report are unlikely to do anything but further entrench their views.  Finally, non-Muslim political sympathizers are certainly welcomed by CAIR, but there is little evidence in the report to suggest they are targeted directly.

CAIR's target audience is the relatively apolitical, possibly even non-practicing Muslims and Arab-Americans who have given little thought to what effect the war on terror has on their everyday lives.  This audience is immensely large.  Between 2002 and 2003, CAIR fielded discrimination complaints from 602 individuals; .0086% of the 7 million Muslims that CAIR estimates live in America.  This means that an overwhelming majority of Muslims (not to mention Arab-Americans) have not been affected negatively by the administration's successful efforts so far to root out terror.

That the number of unnecessarily affected Muslims is so small is surely a sign of success in the war on terror and a testament to our national character.  Individual acts of violence and harassment have been few and far between, and met with appropriate justice.  To CAIR however, the 99.9% of unaffected Muslims represents fertile ground from which to seek support, and in order to do so, they must be instilled with the idea that have become innocent victims. 

Any American Muslims who are truly worried about guilt by association (the title of the latest CAIR report) should take notice of some of CAIR's most notable associations.  For example, CAIR was formed in 1994 by two former officials of the Islamic Association for Palestine, a group acknowledged by former FBI counter-terrorism chief Oliver Revell as a front for the Palestinian terrorist group, Hamas.  One of the original founders, Executive Director, Nihad Awad, has stated plainly, I am in support of the Hamas movement,¡¨ and Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper has defended Saudi financial support of Palestinian suicide bombers.

Several CAIR officials have been arrested for their alleged support of terrorist activity within the United States.  Former CAIR Civil Rights Coordinator Randall Todd Ismail Royer was recently arrested for his role in fighting with and recruiting for the Pakistani terrorist group Lashkar-e-Toiba.  Bassem M. Khafagi, arrested in January for his involvement with terrorist finance group the Islamic Association of North America, was a Community Affairs Director for CAIR at the time of his arrest.  Finally, Ghassan Elashi, arrested in December of 2002 for dealing in the property of a designated terrorist, was a founder of the Holy Land Foundation and a member of the founding board of Directors of CAIR-Texas.   

While violent attacks and individual discrimination against Muslims are very serious matters, CAIR's civil rights reports have done more to incite hysteria among peaceful Muslims than address to the problems directly.  Muslims who are not involved in criminal or terrorist activity should remain unfazed by CAIR's disingenuous reporting and take careful note of its political motives.  Those who do not, and subscribe unwittingly to CAIR's political agenda will do so at the expense of the protection that the administration has sought to provide to all American citizens in the midst of a domestic threat unlike any we have faced before.¡¦ Evan McCormick is the Henry M. Jackson National Security Fellow at the Center for Security Policy in Washington, DC.  He is a recent graduate of Boston University. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Demographics Demographics - it's ALL about DEMOGRAPHICS . .

Demographics "There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially,” he said. “And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well. … By 2020, 50% of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.” He even drew attention to the birth dearth in the West.

“And don’t forget, coupled with this there is this collapse of numbers,” he said. “Western Europeans are not having any babies. The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56% of what it is now. The population of France, 52% of what it is now. The population of Italy is going to be down 7 million people.”

WND Exclusive


FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Radical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country


Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

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Muslims in America

Num. of Muslims in the U.S.:  7  million
Num. of American Muslims associated with a mosque:  2  million
Num. of mosques in the U.S.:  1,209
% of regular mosque participants who are male:  75%
% of regular mosque participants who are African-American:  30%
% of regular mosque participants who are Arab:  25%
Source: "The Mosque in America: A National Portrait," a study conducted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Hartford Institute for Religion Research
(April 26, 2001)

23 posted on 11/22/2004 5:00:10 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
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In some other Western countries, e.g. UK, France, Muslims have organized their “parliaments” that hold elections every few years, where people who are members of various groups run for election. These “Muslim Parliaments” advise the governments in their respective countries on affairs of the Muslim community. The net result is greater empowerment of the Muslim community.

That worked out well in France (for radical Muslims, that is):

In April (20030 France held its first-ever elections for a nationwide French Council for the Muslim Religion. It didn't turn out as planned. The Council was supposed to be the first step in the creation of an "official Islam for France," in the words of interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy, one compatible with French republican values and traditions and incompatible with "extremism and the language of violence." Thanks to a pre-election deal, the Council will be headed by the moderate Dalil Boubaker, who is close to the French government. But once the representatives of France's mosques had cast their ballots, his organization had won only 6 out of 41 seats. By contrast, the radical Union of Islamic Organizations in France, which is suspected of having ties to the Egyptian-based Islamist group Muslim Brotherhood, won 14. Sarkozy, who had pushed for the creation of the council in the first place, was reduced to bluster about expelling clerics "whose views run contrary to the values of the republic"....

--- The New Republic, 4/30/03

28 posted on 11/22/2004 5:36:02 PM PST by browardchad
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