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Marine who shot insurgent acted rationally
New York Daily News ^ | Originally published on November 21, 2004 | Bill O' Reilly

Posted on 11/22/2004 7:16:39 AM PST by .cnI redruM

As soon as I saw the tape of a U.S. Marine shooting a wounded insurgent in Fallujah, I knew there'd be trouble. The Iraqi had violated the rules of war by fighting from a mosque and was left for dead in combat. But he wasn't dead. So when a squad of Marines entered the mosque in a mop-up operation and the prone insurgent moved, a young Marine shot him dead. But the tape of the incident actually helps the Marine, because you can clearly hear him yell to his squad: "He's [blanking] faking he's dead!" Then the soldier shoots. On the tape, you can see the insurgent move before the Marine pulls the trigger.

One day earlier, another Marine in the same unit was killed by a booby trap that was strapped to a dead insurgent. The enemy in Iraq rejects all rules of warfare, and American troops know it. Insurgents and foreign terrorists routinely dress in civilian clothes, hide behind civilians, mount operations from inside mosques, wear the uniforms of pro-American Iraqi police and National Guardsmen, attack civilians and on and on and on.

Having survived a combat situation in Argentina during the Falklands War, I know that life-and-death decisions are made in a flash. If that wounded insurgent had a grenade or other explosive device, the entire Marine squad and the photographer could be dead right now. In a killing zone, one cannot afford the luxury of knowing what is certain.

If that young Marine had homicide on his mind, he would have entered the mosque firing. But he did not. The Marine reacted to perceived danger. Another wounded Iraqi in the same room identified himself and was taken prisoner. This was not some My Lai action.

But the so-called human rights groups are calling it a "possible war crime." What a bunch of bull! The Marine made a decision that was reasonable.

Most of the American press has been cautious in covering the Marine controversy, although The Los Angeles Times ran this subhead: "Marine May Be Charged in the Fallujah Killing of an Unarmed Fighter. The Footage Airs on Arab TV, Further Tarnishing America's Image."

Now, there's nothing factually wrong with that headline. But is it designed to put the Marine and the U.S. in a dubious light? You make the call.

The Pentagon is not releasing the name of the Marine and is investigating. Both of those things are fair. But this case is not complicated, and anyone condemning that soldier should himself be condemned.

The war in Iraq as well as the war on terror is as ugly as it gets. Mistakes will be made. But this action is not one of them.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; fallujahmarine; marine; oreilly; shooting
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To: T.Smith

Thank you


21 posted on 11/22/2004 7:59:46 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
Here is a link to the article by Oliver North:

War crimes?

22 posted on 11/22/2004 8:00:07 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: .cnI redruM

What is an "insurgent?" Is that the same thing as an "enemy?"


23 posted on 11/22/2004 8:03:23 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: ravingnutter

Thank you


24 posted on 11/22/2004 8:06:16 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: .cnI redruM
On the tape, you can see the insurgent move before the Marine pulls the trigger.

Really?!? I didn't know that. Fox blanked out that part of the tape completly.

If I were covering someone that I thought was getting ready to come out with a gun or roll a hand grenade out, I might pull the trigger when he moved too.

One thing is sure. The media is still working overtime trashing the United States and the Marines in Iraq in particular. The media is anti-american, every one of them.

25 posted on 11/22/2004 9:05:47 AM PST by narby
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To: Steel Wolf
If you really want to get technical, once an enemy fighter

a) Fights out of a religious shrine
b) Refuses to properly wear a recognizable uniform
c) Tortures POWs
d) Plays dead only to then engage the enemy,

the Marine is allowed to take them out. Such is the Law of Land Warfare.
26 posted on 11/22/2004 9:10:45 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Idiots so love to bury a god. - Charles Buckowski)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I would say that about covers it...
27 posted on 11/22/2004 9:11:25 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Idiots so love to bury a god. - Charles Buckowski)
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To: .cnI redruM; All
>>>>>>>>Here is a reminder, if you needed another one, of what our guys are up against in Iraq, from yesterday's Times: "Two marines were killed and four wounded in an ambush on Friday in which an insurgent deceived the Americans by waving a white flag, military officials said Saturday."

From NRO (The Corner)
28 posted on 11/22/2004 9:26:08 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Idiots so love to bury a god. - Charles Buckowski)
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To: Piquaboy
I found the Ollie North commentary. Thsnk you.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20041119.shtml

Ollie was on the Garrison show last week. He was extremely neutral in his discussion. He said that he had seen the whole tape. I wondered what else he would say.
29 posted on 11/22/2004 9:34:39 AM PST by Samwise (This day does not belong to one man but to all. --Aragorn)
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To: .cnI redruM

On another thread entitled "Insuregents faking dead fires on Marines", Freeper, JeeperFreeper coined the term
"The Sites Manuever".
The aptly named manuever is named after Kevin Sites, the reporter that has encouraged terrorists to play dead and then shoot at our servicemen.

In the particular article the insurgent was shot and killed, or men unhurt.


30 posted on 11/22/2004 9:47:44 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: .cnI redruM

Bill took an immediate position on this and it was in favor of the soldier.

That's so different than what he was doing during the campaign season where he was hyper-cautious about everything. He wanted too much to be covered from every angle. In other words, he was playing CYOA. He was probably doing it so he wouldn't wreck his chances to get interviews.

But, he didn't raise his finger to check the wind on this one.

Good for him.

Maybe he found his lost cajones.


31 posted on 11/22/2004 10:15:14 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: Cold Heart

I blogged an incident where a group of reporters knew where an IED was and sat there w/ their cameras until the US Army drove by and then ran footage of the ambush. The creeps will stop an nothing.

http://orsa.blogspot.com/2004/06/they-knew-it-was-coming-and-stood-by.html


32 posted on 11/22/2004 10:28:58 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Idiots so love to bury a god. - Charles Buckowski)
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To: narby

I assume the trashy Media types have family, sons daughters same with these celebs, do they really think these moron terrorist will treat them differently, This just minifies me, how they want to undermine there own, Dont they even want to look to the future, God Bless the troops, Keep safe., .


33 posted on 11/22/2004 10:41:59 AM PST by lillybet (A)
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