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5 killed, 3 injured in dispute over deer stand
HoustonChronicle.com ^ | Nov. 22, 2004 | AP

Posted on 11/22/2004 5:31:35 AM PST by Max Combined

1 arrested after hunters find a man in their spot and shooting ensues

A dispute among deer hunters over a tree stand in northwestern Wisconsin erupted Sunday in a series of shootings that left five people dead and three others injured, officials said.

Jake Hodgkinson, a deputy at the county jail, identified the suspect as Chai Vang but would give no additional details. Several news organizations in Minneapolis-St. Paul reported the suspect was 36-years-old and from St. Paul.

The incident happened when two hunters were returning to their rural cabin on private land in Sawyer County and saw the suspect in one of their tree stands, County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle said. A confrontation and shooting followed.

It's not known who shot first, Zeigle said.

Both men were wounded and one of them radioed back to the cabin. Other hunters responded and were shot, he said. Some of the victims may have shot back at the suspect, Zeigle said.

The suspect was ``sniping'' at the victims with a SKS assault-style rifle, Zeigle said. He was ``chasing after them and killing them,'' he said.

The dead included four males, including a teenage boy, and a woman, Zeigle said. The man who radioed for help was not fatally wounded. Some of the victims were shot more than once.

All five were dead when officers arrived, he said.

Authorities found two bodies near each other and the other three were scattered around the area, which is near Town of Meteor in southwestern Sawyer County. Two people who stayed in the cabin emerged safely after the shootings.

The suspect, who did not have a compass, got lost in the woods and two other hunters, not knowing the man was being sought in the shootings, helped him find his way out, Zeigle said. When he emerged from the woods, a Department of Natural Resources officer recognized the deer license on his back, given to police by a victim, Zeigle said.

The man was out of bullets when they arrested him, Zeigle said.

One of the injured hunters was in critical condition at St. Joseph's Hospital. Another was listed in serious condition and the third was in fair condition, both at Lakeview Medical Center.

Wisconsin's statewide deer gun hunting season started Saturday and lasts for nine days.

Bill Wagner, 72, of Oshkosh, was about two miles away near Deer Lake with a party of about 20 other hunters. He said the incident was ``very upsetting.''

After they got word of a shooting, he and others went to round up the rest of the party. He said they heard sirens, planes and helicopters and noticed the surrounding roads blocked off.

``When you're hunting you don't expect somebody to try to shoot you and murder you,'' he said. ``You have no idea who is coming up to you.''

The incident won't stop their hunt, he said.

``We're all old, dyed-in-wool hunters,'' he said. ``We wouldn't go home because of this but we will keep it in our minds. We're not forgetting it.''


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; deerstand; hunting; vang; wihunters
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To: dljordan

"I found a guy in my deer stand in rural Tennessee"

I lived on 200 acres in west Tennessee, and came to HATE deer hunters.
Every fall, I had redneck jerks from Memphis poaching on my property, and had to spend every Saturday chasing them down.
One that I confronted, made motions with his gun as to say if I did not like he, try and do something.
I did not even own a gun.
Well, I called the game wardens, and they pretty much spoiled the rest of his day.
I guess he hid in a ditch while they spent the entire day combing my property for him.
One older man that I caught one Saturday, had to drive back out on Monday, and beg me not to file charges on him.
He was actually paying some jerk lowlife to hunt on MY property.

You deer hunters can flame away at me, but most in my area are the lowest of trash.


61 posted on 11/22/2004 7:14:50 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Barlowmaker; Max Combined; Bikers4Bush

You've been here all of 6 months now and have that all figured out.

Why don't you share with us precisely what your immigration policies are Barlow for your new government?

Please your highness?

Explain what you propose to counter our collective xenophobia.


62 posted on 11/22/2004 7:17:28 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Doc Savage

I'm sure PETA is pleased.


63 posted on 11/22/2004 7:20:27 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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To: Max Combined
A dispute among deer hunters over a tree stand in northwestern Wisconsin erupted Sunday in a series of shootings that left five people dead and three others injured, officials said.

This has nothing to do with,....'Endlish as a second language'.....

nothing here,....move on....

/sarcasm

(posted-private-land-doesn't -count)

64 posted on 11/22/2004 7:21:42 AM PST by maestro
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To: quack
Pure speculation on my part,but the only way I can see someone taking out 5 armed people,wounding 3,and not getting shot in the process.

Good point, likely that some of the victims simply were not expecting to get shot.

Everybody's armed in the woods, gunfire is not unusual, etc, and nobody really expects some nut to go off like that.

Was this public or private land?

65 posted on 11/22/2004 7:22:01 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: AlexW; Squantos
I did not even own a gun.

That was your first mistake.

You deer hunters can flame away at me, but most in my area are the lowest of trash.

Is this the blanket innuendo thread of the morning.

Pardon me but the fact that you lived in rural west Tennessee and did not own a gun sounds fishy.

What do you think about fisherman btw?

66 posted on 11/22/2004 7:22:40 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: xsrdx
Maybe this Hmong immigrant had a Vietnam flashback or something. Whatever it was, I'm sure it wasn't his fault. < /sarcasm>

Ah, third world immigration. Well, I guess he's just shooting the hunters that Americans don't want to shoot...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

67 posted on 11/22/2004 7:23:55 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: AlexW
You deer hunters can flame away at me, but most in my area are the lowest of trash.

Poachers are not hunters, they are criminals. Poaching is armed theft.

68 posted on 11/22/2004 7:24:13 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: AlexW

Well, I'm always armed when I go into the woods. I've had people poaching near my home in White Bluff, Tn. and had to run them off. I've only had one guy who acted really agressive and started to swing his gun around on me but backed down when I pulled my coat back and put my hand on my pistol. I don't want my life to depend upon the kindness of strangers.


69 posted on 11/22/2004 7:28:42 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Max Combined

I wonder if Chai Vang was spanked as a child? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285224/posts


70 posted on 11/22/2004 7:28:45 AM PST by The Great Yazoo (Why do penumbras not emanate from the Tenth Amendment as promiscuously as they do from the First?)
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To: wardaddy

I live in rural Maryland, and don't own a gun, either.

Fishy, too?

Having the right to bear arms provides us with the right NOT to bear also. I did a fair amount of target shooting as a kid, but it did not float my boat. Archery, on the other hand.


71 posted on 11/22/2004 7:30:05 AM PST by dmz
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To: xsrdx

It was private land,next to public land,according to one article I read.


72 posted on 11/22/2004 7:30:16 AM PST by quack
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To: doc11355

What would be the point? It takes the sheriff an hour to get there and the guy was gone by the time I'd four-wheeled to the ridge. I couldn't give a description of the perp anyway. I was pretty hot.


73 posted on 11/22/2004 7:30:56 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Barlowmaker

"Six to seven million of Vietnam's 73 million population comprise an estimated 54 ethnic groups divided into dozens of subgroups some with a mere hundred or so members, giving Vietnam the richest and most complex ethnic make-up in the whole of southeast Asia. Ethnic minority groups with members numbering upwards of 500,000 include the Tay (Tho), Tai (Thai), Hmong (Meo or Miao), Muong (Mol) and Nung. Other large tribes (over 250,000) include the Jarai (Gia Rai) and Ede (Rhade), while groups like the Bahnar (Ba-na), and Sedang (Xo-dang) have more than 100,000 members."

http://www.vwam.com/vets/tribes/ethnicminorities.html

Live and learn.


74 posted on 11/22/2004 7:31:51 AM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Max Combined
"There has never been an accurate count of how many Hmong live in each of the Southeast Asian countries. Virtually all those who have settled in the United States, however, have come from Laos, where they may have numbered as many as three hundred thousand in the 1960s.

Source

75 posted on 11/22/2004 7:35:24 AM PST by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker

"You a bitter anti-immigrant type of character too Max?"

I am anti-illegal immigrant. My wife is from Holland, so I am not against immigrants. Of course she came here legally, works, and has not murdered anyone.

I am anti-immigrants who come to this country, complain about not getting enough welfare, and then murder five people.


76 posted on 11/22/2004 7:36:20 AM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Barlowmaker

Laos? So was he Chinese or Japanese?


77 posted on 11/22/2004 7:36:54 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Four more years)
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To: marty60
Are we taking bets on his PETA membership.

*Sigh* If only humans could rise to the stature of animals.

78 posted on 11/22/2004 7:40:28 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: wardaddy

"Pardon me but the fact that you lived in rural west Tennessee and did not own a gun sounds fishy."

Fishy? Are you saying that there is something wrong that I did not have a gun?
Maybe I would have wound up like the 5 in WI.
I bought my property in 1972, built my own house, and had no problems till 1990.
I did have guns from time to time, but I never went out looking for a gun fight ! Thats for Morons !


79 posted on 11/22/2004 7:41:11 AM PST by AlexW
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To: TheBattman
The man was out of bullets when they arrested him, Zeigle said.

I bet he did. How about ammo or cartridges. I don't don't know many adult men that uses bullets and ammo interchangeably.

80 posted on 11/22/2004 7:42:24 AM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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