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Who Lost Ohio?
New York Times Magazine ^ | November 21, 2004 | MATT BAI

Posted on 11/21/2004 6:22:22 AM PST by John Jorsett

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To: philomath
stop that. you made me snog my laptop screen....

... Mission Accomplished.

41 posted on 11/21/2004 7:38:55 AM PST by MWS
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To: raybbr
Bouchard had molded an impressive, almost military operation. He took over Ohio from a previous director last April, after running field operations for Bob Graham and then Wesley Clark in each man's failed bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

In other words, ACT hired a known two-time loser to run the show, and then was surprised at the end when he lost.

Maybe in 2008 they can hire Bob Shrum.

42 posted on 11/21/2004 7:43:41 AM PST by Dont Mention the War (W2: Coming January 20, 2005! Be There!)
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To: John Jorsett
''The shortcoming in some ways is that the national Democratic Party has built this values wall between itself and a lot of voters out there, and the Republicans took advantage of it. The rude awakening here is that I always thought there were more of us out there. And this time there were more of them.''

And I continue to splash happily in the pool of their bitter tears.

One change though

The shortcoming in some ways is that the national Democratic Party has built this values wall between itself and a lot of voters out there, and the Republicans took advantage of it. have values that appeal.

There, much more honest.

43 posted on 11/21/2004 7:47:14 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I shall follow your advise to the letter...the day I replace my brain with a cauliflower.)
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To: John Jorsett
This article makes me wonder: how many elections did the Democrats win by being better at getting out the vote rather than by better representing what the American people believed?

Gaming the system is not a morally legitimate way of gaining or holding power.

44 posted on 11/21/2004 7:51:13 AM PST by AZLiberty ("Insurgence" is futile.)
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To: John Jorsett
If you're a conservative political junkie, this article is almost amusingly erotic.

The consternation and bemoanerbation is wonderful.

45 posted on 11/21/2004 7:53:29 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: John Jorsett
Ohio had cost Kerry the presidency. He looked like a man who wanted to be just about anywhere other than where he was. What do you say to someone at a moment like that?

How about, "ha ha"?

Unfortunately, the Commies will learn from this defeat, and work harder to subvert the next election. The author spent a lot of time talking about the handcuffs on the 527's and the difficulty they had in not coordinating their campaign with Kerry. Sounds to me like they "protest too much", and I don't believe it for a moment. And, even if 527's are further restricted by 2008, they'll just have to find another "legal" way (nudge nudge, wink wink) to do their dirty work...

46 posted on 11/21/2004 7:57:25 AM PST by The Electrician
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To: AZLiberty
Gaming the system is not a morally legitimate way of gaining or holding power.

And Mel Gibson seems to feel the same way about the Academy Awards.

47 posted on 11/21/2004 7:58:59 AM PST by AZLiberty ("Insurgence" is futile.)
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To: John Jorsett
''They just came in droves,'' Jennifer Palmieri told me two days after the election. ''We didn't know they had that room to grow. It's like, 'Crunch all you want -- we'll make more.' They just make more Republicans.''

Jennifer, probably unintentionally, nails it here. Could it be that all the non-procreating homosexuals and abortion loving Dimmi's are falling below replacement birth rates?

48 posted on 11/21/2004 7:59:45 AM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: John Jorsett
Democrats, traditionally the masters of field organizing, had dismissed the Republican effort as an exercise in self-delusion, insisting that volunteers could never build a turnout model to compete with professional organizers.

It's simple grass roots vs professionalism. If you were an indy, and two different people knocked on your door, who would you be more apt to listen to? Your neighbor or some guy from another state?

Stern said, had assembled the best field-goal unit ever.
Defense wins championships! And you people just got an INT returned for a TD from the exurbs.

Union members could be persuaded to vote, Rosenthal found, when an informed canvasser came to their doors and talked to them about the issues.
That's what we did.

(The campaign's Ohio spokeswoman, Jennifer Palmieri, told me that the only time Kerry operatives had stumbled across ACT's work in the state was when they went to rent vans for Election Day and found that ACT had beaten them to it.)

I'm calling BS on that one. That's a CYA effort to avoid being caught up in McCain/Feingold violations because of ' Coordination'. I gaurantee that there was some liason between the two groups if nothing else.

''You really can expand the electorate, and that's what I think we have to do,'' Rosenthal told me
Rosenthal got it right. We beat him at his game. The goal in my county was to get 48,000 votes. That's 4000 more than 2000. We got 58,000. We're the fastest growing county in the state, but we also have to register the new ones moving out here.

49 posted on 11/21/2004 8:09:09 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("...don't you fill me up with your rules, cause everybody knows that smoking ain't allowed in (bars))
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To: bikepacker67

..and Lake Erie is but a short hop to Canada.


50 posted on 11/21/2004 8:10:47 AM PST by oldtimer
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To: John Jorsett

They could have answered the question in 25 words or less.

"The entire campaign was a con game, and Buckeyes saw them coming a mile away. Hatemongers like Steve Rosenthal lost Ohio along with Kerry himself."


51 posted on 11/21/2004 8:12:26 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 68skylark

"conservative voters rising up out of the hills and condo communities in numbers the Kerry forces never knew existed."

Images of George Custer at Little BigHorn come to mind...


52 posted on 11/21/2004 8:18:01 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: John Jorsett
Republicans now have their own concentrated vote, and it will probably continue to swell.
53 posted on 11/21/2004 8:19:37 AM PST by DeFault User
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To: raybbr

He's dressed like a loser, too.

54 posted on 11/21/2004 8:22:31 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Common Tator

They also totally misjudged the Ohio economy. One of their mantras was about the "unemployed steel worker and his family." If they had had the sense to check, they would have seen that steel mills have been hiring for the last year and a half. Another mill just broke ground a few weeks ago- in Cleveland.

The other indicator is in the reporter's frequent reference to "shiny new townhouse communities and McMansions" and all the republicans who "stopped off to vote on their way home from work" and the "growing rings of new townhouses around the central cities."

Doesn't sound iike a state with depression era unemployment to me. The 'rats totally believed their own rhetoric, and paid for their arrogance in due course.


55 posted on 11/21/2004 8:25:41 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: JesseJane

I looked up that site.
It makes my hair stand on end.


Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);
the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as "free speech" (Policy 4);
the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);
the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);
the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);
opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);
opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);
opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);
opposition of parental choice in children's education (Policy 80)


But how can one confirm these "Policies?"
Going to the ACLU site shows no mention of these published policies.


56 posted on 11/21/2004 8:27:54 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Dan from Michigan
The rule of politics had always been the same: the more people who turned out, the better it was for Democrats.

One problem. I'm think Cleveland is shrinking, and I know Youngstown is shrinking. The exurbs are growing, and they are GOP.

What gnawed at Bouchard was that nowhere we went in Franklin County, a vigorously contested swing county, did we see any hint of a strong Republican
It showed. We lost Franklin by 41,000 votes.

Republicans vote in the morning, while Democrats vote late.
Two things. Unions got election day off. That was also when dems did better among working class voters.

The officials in charge told me that 1,175 of the 1,730 registered voters on the rolls had cast their ballots. In other words, turnout in those precincts was up to an impressive 68 percent

My dad's precinct(I voted absentee) got an 85% turnout. At 10AM(when you'd think lines were shorter), it was lined up outside the door. It went over 70-75% for Bush.

The 10 Ohio counties with the highest turnout percentages, many of them small and growing, all went for Bush, and none of them had a turnout rate of less than 75 percent.
That makes up for the trends in Franklin.

The rude awakening here is that I always thought there were more of us out there. And this time there were more of them.''
It's no longer FDR's party. It's no longer the party of the working man. It's the party of Hollywood and handouts. We get it. Steve Rosenthal doesn't want to get it.

57 posted on 11/21/2004 8:28:37 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("...don't you fill me up with your rules, cause everybody knows that smoking ain't allowed in (bars))
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To: FormerLib
"This is the end of the United States of America," I heard one man declare as he left the room.

One thing you must say for the Dems. They certainly do have a flair for the dramatic. Geez. Get over yourselves people.

58 posted on 11/21/2004 8:33:12 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (May the wings of Liberty never lose so much as a feather.)
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To: don-o

"It's like, 'Crunch all you want -- we'll make more.' They just make more Republicans.'"

LOL! Jennifer Palmieri you ignorant slut, you made my day!


59 posted on 11/21/2004 8:34:57 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dan from Michigan
>It's no longer FDR's party. It's no longer the party of the working man. It's the party of Hollywood and handouts. We get it. Steve Rosenthal doesn't want to get it.

Exactly. Or as I've said for quite some time:

"I used to be a democrat when I believed that they were the party of the working man.
Now they are the party of the man who doesn't work."

And that includes overpaid movie stars, and sluts that can't sing live, but can show their ass.
60 posted on 11/21/2004 8:35:44 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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