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China and Russia Align Against U.S.
Insight Magazine ^ | Kenneth R. Timmerman

Posted on 11/20/2004 11:41:21 AM PST by TapTheSource

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To: bowzer313
We are living in a new age of global American hegemony! We are the new Rome!

Or a new imperial Spain (what was better than Rome with Neros and Caligulas).

61 posted on 11/20/2004 4:20:16 PM PST by A. Pole (Professor Kirke: "Why don’t they teach logic at these schools?")
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To: TapTheSource

Anybody who didn't see this coming is blind.


62 posted on 11/20/2004 4:24:23 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
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To: A. Pole
The problem is also that we have turned over our economy to countries like Communist China -- they will be able to afford to do whatever they like. There is little likelihood that the Communist government in China will free it's slaves --- instead it will likely use the dollars we're sending them to build weapons to use against us.

Reagan almost caused the complete collapse of Communism when the Soviet Union fell --- but we've been building up the Communist government in China since that time.

63 posted on 11/20/2004 4:29:30 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Take all our manufacturing plants out of China and rebuild them in Mexico. Then watch the illegal aliens south bound over the Rio Grande.

We tried that --- what was a trickle before NAFTA became a flood once NAFTA was signed. It didn't work the way they claimed it would. Mexicans don't want to work those $30-40 a week maquila jobs when they can come easily over to the USA and make that much in one day AND collect food stamps and get free health care.

64 posted on 11/20/2004 4:33:41 PM PST by FITZ
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To: TapTheSource

Sending all our jobs to any country isn't a solution to illegal immigration. They've just shut down two big Chinese restaurants here and some in NY for bringing in illegal Chinese:

http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20041120-196838.shtml

Chinese immigrants could face deportation, fine

---- Apparently these people weren't content to stay in China with all those nice jobs we've been sending over there ---- they want over here anyhow.


65 posted on 11/20/2004 4:36:55 PM PST by FITZ
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To: A. Pole

This is one of the primary reasons why the U.S. should cultivate a close relationship with Russia. We are natural allies...


66 posted on 11/20/2004 7:50:25 PM PST by Agrarian
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To: Norman Bates
NOW.


Immediately.


And look for at least TWO back-up countermeasures.



... Did I say NOW ???
67 posted on 11/20/2004 8:12:06 PM PST by the_gospel_of_thomas (Know your Enemy and Know yourself)
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To: fallujah-nuker
Thanks. I learned of Sasol about a month back. They are also working on a US deal to get jet engines to eat synthetic fuel.
68 posted on 11/20/2004 8:46:41 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Better yet rebuild 'em where they came from and kick out all the illegals....can't have that though.


69 posted on 11/20/2004 8:53:34 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: OpusatFR

Amen, I've been harping on this supposed "end of the cold war" deal for years. Why, if they're our friends and they're sooo poor that we have to send them billions in aid, have they been developing weapons to destroy us with? Why do we have ex-KGB generals on the payroll of Homeland Security? I really think we've been had. As usual.


70 posted on 11/20/2004 9:08:40 PM PST by dljordan
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To: TapTheSource

The Clintons cannot be ignored, their stated foreign policy was "EQUALIZE ALL NATIONS".


71 posted on 11/21/2004 12:13:32 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: TapTheSource

First of all,this article contains pretty pathetic & glaring misinformation.China does'nt operate Mig-29s(the article rates the number at 100s) as it is buying Su-27s & Su-30s & building it's own J-10 fighters,all of which are in the same league as the Mig.Moreover only a fraction of China's airforce-to be more precise ,it's SU-30s operate the AA-12(R-77) Adder missile,which is the Russian analogue to the AMRAAM.Russia is only building 4 Sovremmeny class destroyers(some sites put the number at only 2) for the Chinese & not six & the 6 Kilo-636 class subs have not been delivered to the PLAN-as far as I know,only 1 has been delivered.The Russians reportedly refused to sell Akula class nuke-boats to China & offered to lease some nuclear tech for China to build it's own boats.2 Akula class boats are being built in Russia......but they are for the Indian navy & India has always recieved more high tech equipment more easily from the Russians than China.

TTS,While I have no problem on what viewpoint you take,most of the articles you post here are full of holes & are written by persons/or from journals of plummeting credibility & after a period of time,become frankly boring.


72 posted on 11/21/2004 1:31:04 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

First, you should have noticed that the context of the article puts it around two years old. Second, the author says he was basing his information on what intelligence sources reported to him back then. If you want to look back and say this or that sale didn't happen, go right ahead. My interest is in the overall pattern, which overwhelmingly shows that Russia and Red China are aligned against us.

PS If you find the articles I select boring, don't read them.


73 posted on 11/21/2004 2:25:40 AM PST by TapTheSource
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To: oceanview

As you can see, r=the anti-Mexican brigade has arrived. They would rather build up communists countries than Mexicans.


74 posted on 11/21/2004 5:44:05 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: TapTheSource
"My interest is in the overall pattern, which overwhelmingly shows that Russia and Red China are aligned against us."

Their interest is to keep that fact under wraps until it blows up literally) in our faces.

75 posted on 11/21/2004 5:46:01 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: A. Pole
"A vast pitchfork brigade conspiracy keeping an eye on the freetraders."

Yeah, people who would shut down an American's right to exercise their God-given freedoms, and instead, spend their time desperately trying to minimize the significance of an accelerating arms build up by traditional enemies of this nation.

Eerily similar to a bunch of idiots who in the late thirties and early forties spent much time and energy trying to convince America that Hitler was on our side, and that the real peril was yellow.

Russia is following the exact same steps that Germany followed post World War I, with China playing the role of Japan.

76 posted on 11/21/2004 6:05:35 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: oceanview

You are correct, with one minor exception.

We don't have free trade with China.

Free trade can only take place between free nations and free people.


77 posted on 11/21/2004 6:09:47 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: endthematrix

There are roughly ten million illegal aliens in the country, with roughly eight and a half million unemployed Americans.

Kicking the illegals out sounds great on paper, but it's nearly an impossible thing to do without destroying our civil liberties, but if we managed to do it, we would have a negative jobs number, then on top of that, bring all those outside industries back in and try to fill thpose jobs as well, and we tank the economy.


78 posted on 11/21/2004 6:14:11 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: TapTheSource

A Russia/China Axis would only work if Russia supports Chinese hegemony in East Asia at the expense of Korea and Japan. If they did they might as well scede East Siberia to the chicoms and defend themselves in the Urals.


79 posted on 11/21/2004 6:19:18 AM PST by Semper Paratus (Michael)
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To: TapTheSource
China must be unaware of TARIFFS...
Somebody at Wal-Mart oughta inform them...
A 25 percent tariff on everything produced in China could cure the deficit.. and send a message too.. Canada should not be the ONLY unfavored nation.. URP should be whisling pass the unemployment office too.. and YEAH Russia..

The Clintoon deal with China should be reviewed..

80 posted on 11/21/2004 7:08:43 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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