[SierraWasp]

Another Schwarzenegger Farce!!!

[WildTurkey]

" Michele St. Martin, spokeswoman for the California Department of Environmental Protection.


Ultimately, she said, the goal is to produce hydrogen through clean, renewable sources such as solar, wind and biomass, rather than natural gas. "

I wonder why she didn't mention nuclear?

[snopercod]

If we could just return to living in harmony with nature like in the utopian past...

...you know, back to the time not so long ago when humans didn't wear underwear and lived short, miserable lives of unspeakable, backbreaking labor, disease, and squalor...

Yeah, that's the ticket!

[CellPhoneSurfer]

I am reposting the following information that I had previously posted on from another thread (Winning the Maglev race) It is somewhat related to this thread since it concerns the production and transportation of hydrogen as well as reducing congestion of traffic:

(As I try to post this, I am unable to reach the website referenced below. If you are unable to connect, try again later when hopefully the DNS problem will have been resolved)

Something I have come across on the internet is the Interstate Traveler Project. It combines Maglev rail travel with utility transportation (i.e. water, natural gas, electricity, fiber optics, high temperature superconducting cable, hydrogen, etc.). The entire length of the rail system is covered with solar power panels (each mile of rail producing about 844,800 watts of electricity per hour at peak time). Meaning that a 100 mile long installation supporting 8.4 million square feet of solar cells would generates about 84 megawatts per hour peak time.  Additionally, the rail system can be used for producing hydrogen (using utility substations) and clean water.  A rail the length of 100 miles would produce over 33,000 kg of hydrogen per hour at peak time, the energy equivalent of about 33,000 gallons of gasoline.

All controls for the Conduit Cluster system would be managed using a control system similar to the TCP/IP technology used for the internet giving real-time control and monitoring of every car on the system, every watt of electricity, every cubic meter of hydrogen, and every gallon of clean water produced by the hydrogen fuel cells, and everything else in the conduit cluster. 

The rail system  is designed to work within the right of way of the existing U.S. highway systems and other permissible right of ways (including unused train right of ways). It is also built into the design to transport passengers in their own automobiles for greater mobility options.  Both the Michigan and Oklahoma Houses of Representatives and the Michigan Senate have begun to support the Interstate Traveler Project within their respective states.

The founder of the company has hired former House representative Republican Richard Chrysler (104th congress Michigan's 8th district) as CEO. A newspaper article about the company and it's plans can be read here.

[BlackbirdSST]

The gubinator needs to suffer from a "Total Recall". JMO. Blackbird.

[editor-surveyor]

"The study instead advocates more conservation, lowering freeway speed limits and making gasoline-powered cars smaller."

This is loonier than burning hydrogen!

Cars are too small now, and lowering highway speeds will exacerbate all of our problems.

The real solution is eliminating highway speed limits, and setting a minimum speed of 75 mph, while returning to high compression gasoline or alcohol fueled engines which can literally give double the mileage that present engines can. This will also eliminate the source of all of the real polutants that come out of the tailpipe: Catalytic converters, which spew anhydrous sulpheric acid.

The tyrants don't want a solution, they want less mobility for the public.

[farmfriend]

Since you think Arnold is so great...

[farmfriend]

We could use some scientists on this thread.

[hosepipe]

I hope those guys know about the greatest hydrogen storage known to man has been found..

Is called gasoline..

[JeffersonRepublic.com]

An environmental group claiming the republican plan for the environment is no good.

What a surprise! /sarcasm

Hydrogen can be produced in a central location and the pollutions can be handled on location.

The car's pollutions are not centralized. The automobiles are hundreds of million of individual polluting power plants. Creating a hydrogen car and moving the polluting power plant out of garages is a great idea.

Yes, we will still need energy to create the Hydrogen, but with hydrogen we don’t have to sit in traffic breathing exhaust.

[JeffersonRepublic.com]

An environmental group claiming the republican plan for the environment is no good.

What a surprise! /sarcasm

Hydrogen can be produced in a central location and the pollutions can be handled on location.

The car's pollutions are not centralized. The automobiles are hundreds of million of individual polluting power plants. Creating a hydrogen car and moving the polluting power plant out of garages is a great idea.

Yes, we will still need energy to create the Hydrogen, but with hydrogen we don’t have to sit in traffic breathing exhaust.

[B Knotts]

It seems to me that if one must find alternatives to crude oil, biodiesel would be more practical than creating hydrogen.

[longtermmemmory]

I believe the "hydrogen highway" is an effort to preserve the gasoline distribution system by switching from one fuel to another.

If autos become electric then the need for gas stations and trucks to distribute gasoline and gasoline tank farms is also eliminated. Not that batteries have the potential to hurt any gasoline or alternative fuel as of right now.

If cars ran on milk, exxon would own a lot of cows.

[traviskicks]

I did some reasearch on this article and wrote a paragraph summary with links here:
http://www.neoperspectives.com/articlesandspeeches.htm