Anti-American Ba'th Activities in Paris (Are you surprised, coming from France?)

MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) ^ | November 19, 2004 | Dr. Nimrod Rapaheli

[Stoat]

And the reason why we haven't invaded and annexed France is...what, exactly?

Actually, keeping order among the French, restoring basic hygiene principles and reforming their Socialist state would likely be more difficult than what we're doing in Iraq at the moment....

[clee1]

And therefore is not worth the effort or the blood of good Americans.

Just nuke it and be done with the worthless frogs.

[Ptarmigan]

Didn't the Baath Party start in France under Michel Aflaq?

[risk]

Didn't Ba'athism start in France by Michael Aflaq and Salah al-Din Bitar, both educated at the Sorbonne? Ho Chi Minh was in Paris just a bit earlier.

[SunkenCiv]

"The resurrection of the Ba'th Party on French soil was further strengthened by France's proposal that representatives of "la resistance" should participate in any future conference that will be convened to discuss the future of Iraq."

...in a related story, Moslem mobs cheered as Islamic terrorist bombs destroyed Notre Dame cathedral...

[denydenydeny]

Let's not forget Pol Pot and the rest of the Khmer Rouge. And Albanian dictator Enver Hoxha.

Paris = Dictator School.

[SunkenCiv]

...as Americans pointed and laughed.

[26lemoncharlie]

Do we still have those plans around from the Normandy Invasion??

[Begin]

Anti-American Ba'th Activities in Paris (Are you surprised, coming from France?)

Actually, I was very surprised to see "France" and "Bath" in the same sentence.

[Marie007]

I find nothing about the address, where is this petion ?
www.petiononline.com/ocsi/petition/html

[risk]

http://www.petitiononline.com/ocsi/petition.html - the link was misspelled in the text above

[Marie007]

Merci beaucoup. If sometimes I don't answer to your pings, if because I don't understand all what you are saying

[risk]

De rien. Excusez-moi, je ne parle pas francais. I'll try to explain if you misunderstand. Thanks for trying to understand us Americans.

[Fedora]

Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware Ba'athism was linked to French fascism but that makes sense. Here is a review of a book with some more background on French fascism--I imagine the anti-Semitism mentioned here would have appealed to the Iraqi Ba'athists:

Neither Right Nor Left: Fascist Ideology in France

According to Sternhell, fascism displayed itself in France during the 1890s and again in the 1930s as a revolt against "materialism" and those political ideologies that it had fostered: socialism and democracy. To these fascist revolutionaries, the socialism of the Marxist, working-class sort and the democracy of the liberal, middle-class variety had produced a decadent, disillusioned, and divided society. They preached a national revolution (or "national-socialist" revolution) in which the values of spirit, will, faith, morality, honor, heroism, energy, and sacrifice would triumph. Yet these virtues were unfortunately distorted by notions of a modern, powerful, and near-dictatorial state; an organic community; and sometimes murderous anti-Semitism. In addition to revisiting Barres and Pierre Drieu La Rochelle, Sternhell examines the writings (and, in some cases, the deeds) of Robert Brasillach, Marcel Deat, Henri De Man, Bertrand de Jouvenel, Thierry Maulnier, Emmanuel Mounier, Georges Sorel, and Georges Valois. The names of these men were never household words, but there can be no doubt that they contributed to the elaboration and progress of fascism in France.

Also see the work of Robert Soucy.

[i.l.e.]

Something needs to be done about France.

[Jim Noble]

First time in years they've even seen a Ba'ath.

[Ciexyz]

All our boys that died on those Normandy beaches in WW II...and then we read about French treachery today...makes you want to puke.

[lowbridge]

bump

[Jim Noble]

...in a related story, Moslem mobs cheered as Islamic terrorist bombs destroyed Notre Dame cathedral...

I'm sure they will turn it into a mosque.

Hagia Maria, perhaps?

[risk]

Thanks for the links above to the review of Zeev Sternhell's Neither Right Nor Left: Fascist Ideology in France by William A. Jr. Hoisington; I also took a look at the Soucy link. Here's an interesting list of names from the Hoisington review, hyperlinks provided by me:

In addition to revisiting Barres and Pierre Drieu La Rochelle, Sternhell examines the writings (and, in some cases, the deeds) of Robert Brasillach, Marcel Deat, Henri De Man, Bertrand de Jouvenel, Thierry Maulnier, Emmanuel Mounier, Georges Sorel, and Georges Valois. The names of these men were never household words, but there can be no doubt that they contributed to the elaboration and progress of fascism in France.

I suspect there may be a treasure trove of modern leftist and islamofascist influence to find there. After browsing the links, you may think so, too.

I'd be interested in getting a list of countermovement leaders from AF.