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To: kingsurfer; Hun in the sun; doug from upland
It is important to understand that modern American conservatism has no equivalent in Europe
and has never been accepted as legitimate in European intellectual circles
which are monolithically both secular and liberal

Berlusconi comes closest to an American conservative.
He'd get along well with Rush Limbaugh.
And he owns a newspaper ('Il Giornale') and a TV network.

125 posted on 11/20/2004 5:10:40 PM PST by Allan
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To: Allan

Thanks for the info.


126 posted on 11/20/2004 6:47:07 PM PST by doug from upland (Vietnam Vets: FINALLY -- welcome home, heroes)
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To: Allan

hi @ all,

first to my person:

26, male, half german, half american ;-)
ATM resident in Germany.
Hm... pretty hard for you to attack me?
I am sure it isn`t...
First of all:

Berlusconi have to appear in court, because he is accused beeing used his power
to enrich himself...
and he is accused to use his newspaper / TV to manipulate the italian public...
Really a great example... are there any similarities to US?
*applause*

I think the way this discussion goes is very alarming.
In my opinion we live in a global world.
And then i read sentences like "i dont care about europe" ...
"I hate them..."; "They hate us..."
And why do you compare US Forces with EU Forces?
Do you really think that a war in these dimension will afford a bright
vanquisher???
Are you so stupid (this is meant global to anyone who talk about WWIII, and nothing
else would happen if US and EU start war against each other...)
2 nuclear bombs on nakasaki and hiroshima brought the victory against Japan in 1945
Well let me see... France has nuclear weapons, Germany also have access to them, too.

So what do you think would happen to all of us and to the worlds civilation if a war happens?
Fact is, the time of conventional war is over... (exept you attack a country witch isnt equipped
with weapons of mass destruction, like Iraq and probable the next target Iran).

But in case of a nuclear war, it wont help neither US nor EU...
All would be over... So it isnt important who have the biggest Army...
and it doesnt make a difference whether the one side has 500 nuclear weapons
and the other side has only 200 ;-) (for example)

What happened in Europe under the dictatorship of Hitler was more awful than words can ever say,
no doubt. but its over for nearly 60 years, so don`t use it all along as an argument... thats more
than meagre.
Time has changed... people have changed.
The same about slavery in US. Its history. Sure dark history, but HISTORY!
Lets learn from it, dont accuse it to each other...

Come on people, dont be that stupid (this goes out to all people and nations) and find a way to
live together...
Well i like my motherland (Germany) just as well as my fatherland (US)
But discussions like these makes me pain.
Everytime a nation says its the biggest, greatest, strongest it leads to hurt, THAT
is what us the history told! (any counterparts?)
I miss the cosmopolitanism in this threat. especially from the US side...
and i ask myself who is running through the world with blinders...
and congratiulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
prejudices aganist EU (above all against france) attest the famous
prejudice of egoism on US side.

In any german board i cant read sentences like "stupid americans, i hate them all"
Sure there are some people against Bush, BUT NOT AGAINST AMERICAN PEOPLE!!
and no threat i have seen was that kind of xenophobic like this threat.
My fathers side feel blamed a bit.

And comments like "Fritzy" or equal proof the high intellectual level of some
persons in this room...

Well, thats what i have to say,
who is right will teach the history... nobody can say it today.

Greetings to ALL

osiris (marc)


127 posted on 11/20/2004 7:57:06 PM PST by osirisonline
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