Innocence Abroad (They hate us, they really and truly hate us!)

Tech Central Station ^ | November 19, 2004 | Eric R. Staal

[lucysmom]

What about honoring their sacrifice in ways that are truly meaningful, like by being grateful for what they did to liberate France, instead of being back-stabbers?

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend; although the kisses of an enemy are profuse."

[osirisonline]

LOL!!! are u that stupid?
cant u read??????
some people in this threat wrote fritzl, some wrote fritzy.
well...
are u a aryan american??? LOL LOL LOL LOL
is it so bad to be half american and half german?
and is the typical amirican not an indian??
LOL
do you know
ANYTHING about !!!our !!! history.
If i would be as stupid as u are, i would shut up and sit
down and hope nobody will note how stuipid i am...

Thank you for your threats, i never laught that much in the last days ;-)

[Allan]

If you want to know
how EU people think, ask them!

I have asked them.

But usually
I have been told
without asking.

[SMARTY]

We owe billions? Fine, just call it the WWI and WWII war debt (with interest) you never repaid. All the history books at my school were very clear that only Sweden repaid their war debt to the ... or have you succeeded in re writing that part of the factual account as well?

[conservonator]

I don`t think I have to explain that Germans know how to fight....

And I don't think I need to remind you of the outcome...

The highest debt ever, and you call this

Is that your understanding of the totality of what makes an economy strong? Try looking at GDP, productivity rates, employment figures, inflationary rates, etc.

Gulf War I has been completely refinanced by non-participating nations, such as mine and Japan + several Emirates.

I doubt the "refinancing" of any of our actions is based on altruism. I would also like to see some detailed evidence of this "refinancing" particularly the structure of the "refinancing". I don't suppose that there is some sort of profit motive involved....

You did. Sorry.

You misspelled "do", sorry.

Rarely a day goes by that I don't give thanks for the courage and conviction of my ancestors for having the for-site to leave the dying Continent of Europe and the cancer known as Germany.

You can't even take care of problems on your own continent with out our leadership. Face it your better days are far behind you and with out realizing the arrogance of your ways, Europe will fall back further in to the dust heap of history.

[crash_override]

Hallo Hun,
vielen Dank, dass du uns hier mit Fakten verteidigt hast. Mir ist bald schlecht geworden als ich das hier alles gelesen habe. Ich war mir nicht im Klaren darüber, wieviel Hass manche Amerikaner gegen uns aufbringen. :o( Ist eigentlich eine traurige Angelegenheit, da wir mittlerweile schon in der 3. Generation nachdem Krieg leben. Ich kann leider nicht in Englisch antworten, da es für solch umfangreiche Diskussionen nicht ausreicht.

Viel Spaß noch beim disskutieren und lass dich nicht unterkriegen.

Viele liebe Grüße aus Unterfranken

crash

PS: Ich hege keinerlei Abneigung gegen Amerikaner, ich bin nur in politischen Fragen nicht immer derselben Meinung. Nur weil ich die Regierung nicht mag, hat das ja nichts mit der Bevölkerung zu tun. Ich finde hier wurde vieles verallgemeinert.

[537cant be wrong]

howdy hun
yeah thats what i meant on the 1st part
you got me wienerschnitzled on the second again:)

[537cant be wrong]

i'm guessing the 1st part is that naturally you speak german
but ill be dipped if i get the rest.

[gregorius]

matchwood:

>I can live with that - I have still to hear of a single Mexican blowing up a building, bus or pizza parlor. And, they don't demand that we listen to that damnable screaming over loudspeakers 6 times a day.

looking at the newest postings i am not sure...:

Mob burns two federal agents (Mexico)
Posted by Ginifer
On 11/24/2004 7:58:19 AM PST

[matchwood]

Yah, I saw that.

[someguyfromyurop]

>> If you want to know
>> how EU people think, ask them!

> I have asked them.
> But usually
> I have been told
> without asking.

are you serious?
I happen to have lived my entire life in germany, and I can assure you that I don't hate you or other US citizens. neither do any of the people I know.
to be honest, I'm not aware of hating anyone; of course there are people who I don't get along with too good, but I surely don't HATE them.
IMO, it takes quites a lot to really hate someone; and I'm shocked to read that some people in the US are under the impression that they are hated (not only hated, but "really and truly hated") by europeans, just because european politicians don't like the idea of Bush being president of the USA.
since the (foreign) policy of the US has an impact on many other countries, the politicians of those other countries dare to express their discomfort - so what?

someone mentioned propaganda and biased coverage in european media; has the thought of propaganda in your own media ever crossed your mind?
when I read subtitles like "They hate us, they really and truly hate us", that sounds a bit like biased coverage to me.

as for europeans being jealous of the USA:
the US surely are a fascinating country, with many assets but also many drawbacks - just like any other country.
you don't have some of the problems other countries have, but OTOH you have some problems that other countries don't have.
US citizens claiming to know that europeans were jealous of them just gives kind of an insight to their self-image. one could get the impression that the US think of themselves as being "God's own country", "the land of the brave", "the only superpower in the world" and of europe being a bunch of small, backwards countries who envy the US of having such a great president (who was sent by God, according to some of his supporters), of having such a strong economy (*cough cough*) and of the "American way of life".
but maybe it's just the first time that many people in the US become aware of the fact that they aren't being (and never have been) admired as superior beings by "old europe" as they have always been suggested by US media and politicians, but are regarded as human beings just like the people in any other country in the world.

again I have to say that I am shocked, really and truly shocked about some of the statements I read in this forum.
I honestly hope that those statements are the opinion of just a small minority of US citizens, otherwise I may have to revise my picture of the US.
and no, I don't expect anyone to care about my opinion.


live long and prosper.....

[IonInsights]

What are they gonna do about it?

[gregorius]

hun the sun:
Last time I`ve been in France, they british and american
cemetries were in excellent condition.

---

hello hun,

yes! in my country too, they are...but what's about american cemetries in all the other countries? are they in an excellent condition too? what do you think?

most euros, when they think about americans and war they think at WW2 and iraq and there's not much inbetween, like 'they must have been at war with someone, but i just don't remember any name right now...'

as amis (french: 'friends') know all this much better because they certainly are told at school, i looked for an overview to understand what they are talking about:


American Military Interventions
of the 20th Century
William Blum, from his book "Rogue Nation"

Please be aware that this listing does not include many, many U.S. "interventions" where U.S. troops were not the primary force - such as the U.S. intervention in the Greek civil war during the 1950s - nor does it include the many, many U.S. nuclear threats that one might well consider a form of intervention - such as the U.S. nuclear threat during the '73 Arab-Israeli war - nor does it include many CIA organized war efforts, such as the long war against the leftist Angolan government which was waged by the U.S. and racist South Africa - nor does it include all the countries intervened/invaded by the U.S. in World War I and World War II.

But anyway, here's some food for thought. The listing is comprised of the Country/Date/type of intervention/and a few specifics:


SOUTH DAKOTA 1890 (-?) Troops
ARGENTINA 1890 Troops
CHILE 1891 Troops
HAITI 1891 Troops
IDAHO 1892 Troops
HAWAII 1893 (-?) Naval, troops
CHICAGO 1894 Troops
NICARAGUA 1894 Troops
CHINA 1894-95 Naval, troops
KOREA 1894-96 Troops
PANAMA 1895 Troops, naval
NICARAGUA 1896 Troops
CHINA 1898-1900 Troops
PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops
CUBA 1898-1902 (-?) Naval, troops
PUERTO RICO 1898 (-?) Naval, troops
GUAM 1898 (-?) Naval, troops
MINNESOTA 1898 (-?) Troops
NICARAGUA 1898 Troops
SAMOA 1899 (-?) Troops
NICARAGUA 1899 Troops
IDAHO 1899-1901 Troops
OKLAHOMA 1901 Troops
PANAMA 1901-14 Naval, troops
HONDURAS 1903 Troops
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1903-04 Troops
KOREA 1904-05 Troops
CUBA 1906-09 Troops
NICARAGUA 1907 Troops
HONDURAS 1907 Troops
PANAMA 1908 Troops
NICARAGUA 1910 Troops
HONDURAS 1911 Troops
CHINA 1911-41 Naval, troops
CUBA 1912 Troops
PANAMA 1912 Troops
HONDURAS 1912 Troops
NICARAGUA 1912-33 Troops, bombing
MEXICO 1913 Naval
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1914 Naval
COLORADO 1914 Troops
MEXICO 1914-18 Naval, troops
HAITI 1914-34 Troops, bombing
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1916-24 Troops
CUBA 1917-33 Troops
WORLD WAR I 1917-18 naval, troops
RUSSIA 1918-22 Naval, troops
PANAMA 1918-20 Troops
HONDURAS 1919 Troops
YUGOSLAVIA 1919 Troops/Marines
GUATEMALA 1920 Troops
WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing
TURKEY 1922 Troops
CHINA 1922-27 Naval, troops
HONDURAS 1924-25 Troops
PANAMA 1925 Troops
CHINA 1927-34 Troops
EL SALVADOR 1932 Naval
WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops
WORLD WAR II 1941-45 Naval, troops, bombing, nuclear
DETROIT 1943 Troops
IRAN 1946 Nuclear threat
YUGOSLAVIA 1946 Nuclear threat, naval
URUGUAY 1947 Nuclear threat
GREECE 1947-49 Command operation
GERMANY 1948 Nuclear Threat
CHINA 1948-49 Troops/Marines
PHILIPPINES 1948-54 Command operation
PUERTO RICO 1950 Command operation
KOREA 1951-53 (-?) Troops, naval, bombing , nuclear threats
IRAN 1953 Command Operation
VIETNAM 1954 Nuclear threat
GUATEMALA 1954 Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat
EGYPT 1956 Nuclear threat, troops
LEBANON l958 Troops, naval
IRAQ 1958 Nuclear threat
CHINA l958 Nuclear threat
PANAMA 1958 Troops
VIETNAM l960-75 Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats
LAOS 1962 Command operation
CUBA l961 Command operation
GERMANY l961 Nuclear threat
CUBA l962 Nuclear threat, naval
PANAMA l964 Troops
INDONESIA l965 Command operation
DOMINICAN REPUBLI 1965-66 Troops, bombing
GUATEMALA l966-67 Command operation
DETROIT l967 Troops
UNITED STATES l968 Troops
CAMBODIA l969-75 Bombing, troops, naval
OMAN l970 Command operation
LAOS l971-73 Command operation, bombing
SOUTH DAKOTA l973 Command operation
MIDEAST 1973 Nuclear threat
CHILE 1973 Command operation
CAMBODIA l975 Troops, bombing
ANGOLA l976-92 Command operation
IRAN l980 Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing
LIBYA l981 Naval jets
EL SALVADOR l981-92 Command operation, troops
NICARAGUA l981-90 Command operation, naval
LEBANON l982-84 Naval, bombing, troops
GRENADA l983-84 Troops, bombing
HONDURAS l983-89 Troops
IRAN l984 Jets
LIBYA l986 Bombing, naval
BOLIVIA 1986 Troops
IRAN l987-88 Naval, bombing
LIBYA 1989 Naval jets
VIRGIN ISLAND 1989 Troops
PHILIPPINES 1989 Jets
PANAMA 1989 (-?) Troops, bombing
LIBERIA 1990 Troops
SAUDI ARABIA 1990-91 Troops, jets
IRAQ 1990-? Bombing, troops, naval
KUWAIT 1991 Naval, bombing, troops
LOS ANGELES 1992 Troops
SOMALIA 1992-94 Troops, naval, bombing
YUGOSLAVIA 1992-94 Naval
BOSNIA 1993-? Jets, bombing
HAITI 1994-? Troops, naval
ZAIRE (CONGO) 1996-97 Troops
LIBERIA 1997 Troops
ALBANIA 1997 Troops
SUDAN 1998 Missiles
AFGHANISTAN 1998 Missiles
IRAQ 1998-? Bombing, Missiles
YUGOSLAVIA 1999 Bombing, Missiles
YEMEN 2000 Naval
MACEDONIA 2001 Troops
UNITED STATES 2001 Jets, naval
AFGHANISTAN 2001-? Troops, bombing, missiles
YEMEN 2002 Missiles
PHILIPPINES 2002 Troops, naval
COLOMBIA 2003-? Troops
IRAQ 2003-? Troops, naval, bombing, missiles


details about 'interventions' since 1945 can be found at william blum's page but also everywhere else

so, reading the postings here gives me a strange feeling as i always (already as a child) held the 'amis' for friends, but when i see 'they truly hate us' and 'consider them as enemies' etc. i have to wonder, if i want friends with so many enemies after all, friends at war all the time?

[investigateworld]

Cool down hombre, we have a lot of chain pullers here.
I communicate every week with a young man who was my exchange student 17 years ago. He is now working for the European Space Agency in Germany and still hasn't forgiven me for not taking him to the famous brothels of Nevada.