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To: Fatalis
Illegal aliens will be much less sympathetic if there's a legal avenue for imported labor.

There currently are many legal avenues for imported labor. Any guest worker program will just duplicate those programs already in place.

A guest worker program won't stop the flow of illegals across the border and it won't add any interior enforcement.

Do you know why we have no interior employer sanctions?

It's not because Washington does not want it; it's because of lawyers and judges. The INS gave up fighting lawyers and judges. Even if Congress enacted new laws, the lawyers and judges would shot down any attempt to enforce those laws.

Employers know we can't enforce those laws, so there is zero incentive to hire a more expensive legal worker over an easily disposable and easily replaceable illegal worker.

All of these guest worker plans are doomed to fail and cause more problems.

210 posted on 11/19/2004 2:57:07 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
All of these guest worker plans are doomed to fail and cause more problems.

Doing more nothing is a problem. There is going to be a big push this year to get an immigration reform bill passed. If no alternative to the Bush-McCain-Cornyn plans is offered, the best you can hope for is defeat for those and more of the status quo. Or, even worse, we could find ourselves with an amnesty.

No one on this thread has offered a compelling criticism of Tancredo's plan demonstrating that it would make the situation worse, only that they don't think it would work, or wouldn't work that well, or they don't want a guest worker program at all. A game is about to be played, and if opponents of illegal aliens want to get in, they need to unball their fists and get behind Tom Tancredo.

214 posted on 11/19/2004 3:42:20 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: Marine Inspector
It's not because Washington does not want it; it's because of lawyers and judges. The INS gave up fighting lawyers and judges. Even if Congress enacted new laws, the lawyers and judges would shot down any attempt to enforce those laws.

I agree that Judges and the courts are the biggest roadblock to the enforcement of immigration labor laws. It should also be noted that Congress and (especially) this administration have added mightily to the problem by creating perverse welfare incentives for Mexicans (and others) to enter our country illegally and have purposely limited the resources for effective Border Control. Hence, it's difficult for me to believe that they want to enforce employer sanctions when everything else they do suggests otherwise.

221 posted on 11/19/2004 4:58:40 PM PST by WRhine (When America ceases to make manufactured goods, what do we trade with the rest of the world?)
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To: Marine Inspector
It's not because Washington does not want it; it's because of lawyers and judges. The INS gave up fighting lawyers and judges. Even if Congress enacted new laws, the lawyers and judges would shot down any attempt to enforce those laws.

You are absolutely right. Which is why judges shouldn't be allowed to make deportation decisions and there shouldn't be hearings or appeals. No proof of legal status? You're outa here! Period. End of discussion. DHS employees should be empowered to make such decisions on the spot.

254 posted on 11/19/2004 9:06:08 PM PST by curiosity
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