Posted on 11/18/2004 1:17:42 PM PST by ArcLight
Summary:
- Irregularities associated with electronic voting machines may have awarded 130,000 excess votes or more to President George W. Bush in Florida.
- Compared to counties with paper ballots, counties with electronic voting machines were significantly more likely to show increases in support for President Bush between 2000 and 2004. This effect cannot be explained by differences between counties in income, number of voters, change in voter turnout, or size of Hispanic/Latino population.
- In Broward County alone, President Bush appears to have received approximately 72,000 excess votes.
- We can be 99.9% sure that these effects are not attributable to chance.
(Excerpt) Read more at ucdata.berkeley.edu ...
Are you saying that, even though Bush gained in the Jewish vote, he gained in the non-Jewish vote in Florida by a better percentage?
The articles are so filled with numerous errors, that I won't even bother with them. Gore gained a grand total of about 70 votes in Palm Beach in the recount, not 750, for starters. The whole thing is ludicrous.
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sheeesshhh...that's "more stupider" you maroon ;^)
One would have to look at the individual precinct numbers to know more as to what was going on. But in the aggregate all things being equal, if the Bush national Jewish swing was 6%, and among the rest of the population, 3.5%, one would expect all things being equal for high population Jewish counties to swing to Bush somewhere inbetween those two numbers. The swing in Palm Beach and Broward was around 3.25%.
But just giving something a broadside 'filled with errors ... ludicrous', and noting one apparent factual error doesn't persuade me to change my opinion here either. That sort of body slam really only works if you have previously established a strong reputation of unimpeachable judgments on such matters. Which perhaps you have ... just not that I know of.
I suspect that there is much truth in what you have observed. But I also suspect that there is some truth in the articles that you have condemned, more truth perhaps than you see.
Good night.
May we meet again.
Just ask Howlin or Walsh who was up on the numbers in the Florida recount, and flogged them to death, and made projections that team Gore would fall short with their Dem belt only recount strategy, a couple of weeks before it came was proven out. She and he were there to witness it. On this issue, frankly, I have credibility.
There's just as much actual evidence to support that explanation as there is to support the explanation that the electronic voting machines were flawed in 2004 - i.e., none whatsoever. There is no reason to believe that one can simply treat 1996 or 2000 as some sort of control group, and evaluate 2004 in light of those results.
I missed what you saw. I am prepared to dismiss it all as tinfoil.
I don't think there's much to it either unless you grant some large assumptions that the authors are apparently prepared to grant themselves. I'm trying to be generous here - gimme a break ;)
Well, my point was that the author seemed to take the view that the 2000 election was the control and any variation was to be attributed to fraud in 2004. If anything, I think it is more likely that the fraud occurred in 2000, but no reputable scientist can assume either.
Correct. As has been pointed out by myself and others, the huge jump in Bush votes in 2004 is a result of the massive fraud in 2000 that has been stopped. We need an investigation of the 2000 election.
Correct. As has been pointed out by myself and others, the huge jump in Bush votes in 2004 is a result of the massive fraud in 2000 that has been stopped. We need an investigation of the 2000 election.
Torie is pretty damn good at electin analysis by county. In fact, I'd ssay his only rival is Michael Barone. Of course thats JMHO and it reflects my bias since I consider Torie a friend.
History proves that UC Berkley has destroyed the minds of over a million students!!!!
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