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To: jrestrepo
I appreciate the arguments you have presented, but I start from a basis where I need the theory to be proved to me and I do not take it for granted. From that perspective there are too many holes.

I'll grant you that explanations in evolution often read like "just so stories".

But it might help to understand that the theory of evolution makes several different claims.

The first claim is that the Earth is old, many millions of years old. The evidence for this was already persuasive by 1800. The second claim is that all creatures on Earth descended from a common ancestor. This idea predates Darwin, indeed his own grandfather Erasmus published these ideas. The evidence for this by now is extremely strong: the relationships between species visible in their anatomy are now observed to be mirrored in their genes (where related species even share harmless mutations or "spelling errors" in the genome). It must be emphasized that these two ideas have essentially no opposition in biology.

But the third claim of evolution is the mechanism for the formation of new species: natural selection, where chance and necessity sculpt life. This is where there is debate, and exactly where you point out. The controversial theory of punctuated equilibrium was introduced to why evolution appears to happen in relatively rapid spurts separated by long periods of little change.

The weakest points in evolution is agreed to be the lack of credible explanations for the origin of life itself (3.8 billions years ago, the date of the oldest fossil-bearing rocks). It certainly wouldn't surprise me if there was "intelligent design" involved. But I am confortable with the idea that God used evolution to sculpt life; life capable of evolutionary change would be resiliant and adaptable, and I can imagine God taking pleasure in the unexpected and beautiful outcomes of evolution. This is as the Catholic Church and the mainline Protestant Churches teach (I am Episcopalian). (It also wouldn't surprise me if intelligent design, God's active intervention in evolution, was also behind the very rapid rise of modern humans.)

By the way, life does not violate the law of entropy (the second law of thermodynamics). This law states that closed systems cannot tend towards greater complexity. But the Earth is not a closed system: it receives a huge amount of energy input from the Sun. And, to the point, most life is powered by the Sun (through photosynthesis by plants). (Except for those ridge vent worms, which live off the bacterial communities that feed on the chemicals and heat from the vents.)

68 posted on 11/18/2004 7:11:17 PM PST by megatherium
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To: megatherium
Good discussion.

To your last point, the universe is a closed system. No known energy enters or leaves the universe. Picking a planet (i.e. Earth) is not a sufficient argument. That would mean that the universe would have to know that it would take up the rest of the slack to compensate for the increased organization and would further need to know the quantity to compensate for it.

To the point of God, it is not evolution if it is written in our genetic code, it is adaptation. Last month (or the previous month) of Scientific American, there was an article that talked about how our DNA was structured in a way that foster evolution. Again, an instances of an argument where knowledge of the end result was required.

Last point, God does not have any unexpected outcomes. If it were unexpected, he would not be God.

BTW, I just looked up your name...extinct ground sloth?
69 posted on 11/19/2004 7:39:32 AM PST by jrestrepo
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