[Dimensio]

The effect of gravity can be observed even if it stills falls as a theory.

And the effect of natural selection and even speciation can be observed even if evolution theory falls.

On the other hand, ID and evolution, being about the beginning of the universe

Evolution says nothing about the beginning of the universe.

That you believe that it does say such a thing only demonstrates that you don't understand the theory enough to be qualified to speak on it.

both are equally philosophy and science.

How is scientific research regarding the origins of the universe "philosophy"?

In fact, the origins of evolution have as much to do with philosophy as they do science. God had to be killed for humanism to take hold.

Evolution says nothing regarding the existence or nonexistence of any gods. Only dishonest creationists (and a few crackpot scientists who overextend their area of expertise, like Richard Dawkins) make such claims.

You have the last word

Ah, running away like a coward because you don't want anyone pointing out where you've made factual errors (such as your false claim that evolution speaks of the beginnings of the universe).

It seems that there are two common types of creationist posters around here. Those who make inaccurate statements, then run away so that they don't have to face the refutation, and those who make inaccurate statements and continue to make them even after they are informed that they are wrong.

[worldclass]

You are completely brainwashed. Frankly, I have been through this debate many times before and am bored of it. Each of your points can be refuted. You don't even have the capability to think through your own faith. And no facts or logic would change you anyway...I know for I have spoken with such as you.

The effect of evolution cannot be observed. That is its key fallacy. Everything is speculation from a very spotty record.

Believe as you well. Some day you will know the truth...dead or alive.