Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

**KIM JONG-IL SHOWN ON N. KOREAN TV (11/17); BUT HONORIFIC TITLE EXCLUDED (Stream Here)**
North Korean TV (Via South Korean YTN TV) ^ | 18 November 2004 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 11/17/2004 3:06:16 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081 next last
To: AmericanInTokyo

On a different thread someone said that pictures of the Dear Leader are being taken down in some locations.

PErhaps if he is still in power, people are defacing his picture and so they have to take it down.


61 posted on 11/17/2004 8:04:15 PM PST by Snapple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yonif

Not all his pictures are down. Just some. I think people may be vandalizing his graven images. So the pictures have to come down until they can be replaced.


62 posted on 11/17/2004 8:09:40 PM PST by Snapple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Snapple

These are being taken down where they are up high and have had no such graffiti on them. They are also being taken down, particularly, in some meeting rooms where foreigners in Pyongyang encounter and deal with their DPRK counterparts. This phenomenon has not yet fully been analyzed.


63 posted on 11/17/2004 8:10:01 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: AmericanInTokyo

He really reminds me of a Jerry Lewis type character.


64 posted on 11/17/2004 8:11:02 PM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SevenofNine
For a GOOD LAUGH, everyone, go hit this:

http://robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMJONGIL.html

and let it play for a minute. Turn your speakers UP or DOWN, depending what you want to do. Get ready to LOL. A most hilarious (but real) DPRK propaganda song and video (for karaoke, etc) for the Great Leader that they actually have up there in that huge nuthouse called North Korea.

65 posted on 11/17/2004 8:13:17 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: AmericanInTokyo

Well, that IS interesting.

Has the kidnapping of Japanese young people to serve as Japanese teachers for N. Korean spies rattled this regime? That is so disgusting.


66 posted on 11/17/2004 8:14:46 PM PST by Snapple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: Snapple
everyone is pissed off about that in Japan. theory is that a) the photos brought back from Pyongyang this week by Japanese officials, of one of the kidnapped Japanese whom the Norkors now claim "killed herself" was trick photography and b) the box of bones or ashes that came back with Japanese officials from Pyongyang were not even her bones. ..the poor Japanese parents still grive grieve...have not seen their daughter for over 25 years now. one of the top news stories in Japan these days. I would say 80% plus of Japanese people are for economic sanctions on DPRK until they come fully clean about Miss Megumi and the many other Japanese kidnapped to North Korea....
67 posted on 11/17/2004 8:23:58 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: AmericanInTokyo

Yes, I read that Megumi story. So tragic.

They got back 5 of the 13 people kidnapped.

Do you think the Yakuza do this for the N. Koreans?

I read that the yakuza criminal syndicate in Japan are often ethnic Koreans.


68 posted on 11/17/2004 8:28:57 PM PST by Snapple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: AmericanInTokyo; All

Rackkk ittt
On my uploaded it was slow

It worth the wait OMG RACK IT


69 posted on 11/17/2004 8:38:15 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: michaelbfree

man, those are some happenin' shades


70 posted on 11/17/2004 8:39:28 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Good ol' Coney Island College. Go WhiteFish.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: AmericanInTokyo

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apasia_story.asp?category=1104&slug=NKorea%20Kim's%20Cult

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 · Last updated 7:06 p.m. PT

N. Korea pulls Kim images from buildings

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korean officials have removed portraits of leader Kim Jong Il from some public buildings, and North Korea's state-run media have reportedly dropped his honorific title "Dear Leader." The changes are dramatic in a reclusive nation that has clung to totalitarian rule for more than half a century.

Analysts speculated on Thursday that Kim may have ordered the measures himself to downplay his state-sponsored personality cult, and the changes don't necessarily reflect an overhaul of the leadership.

Tokyo-based Radiopress, which monitors North Korean media, said the communist regime had toned down the titles it bestows on Kim, who is locked in a dispute with the United States and its allies over Pyongyang's development of nuclear weapons.

Radiopress said the North's Korean Central News Agency and the Korean Central Broadcast referred to Kim not as "Dear Leader," but as "general secretary of the Worker's Party of Korea," or "chairman of the DPRK National Defense Commission and supreme commander of the Korean People's Army."

Some experts believe Kim is downplaying the official adulation in order to remove himself as a target for public discontent in his impoverished country. Kim has also made erratic efforts to modernize North Korea's antiquated economy, and the changes could be part of a similar, if extremely limited, campaign in the political arena.



Foreign diplomats reported the removal of portraits of Kim this week, an unusual development because the dictator is the focus of an all-encompassing cult of personality that he inherited from his father and late national founder, Kim Il Sung.

"We believe the change was made at his will to soften his image as a leader of a personality cult, although it is hard to determine what his real intentions are," said Radiopress editor Shinya Kato. "But we do not believe it was a sign of coup or related to his loss of power."

North Korea is one of the most tightly controlled countries in the world, and defectors who have fled hunger and oppression there have spoken of systematic human rights abuses. Still, Kim Jong Il has made periodic efforts to reach out to other countries, holding a 2000 summit with South Korea, visiting China and Russia and taking small steps toward reform of his devastated economy.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a South Korean government official told the South's Yonhap news agency that there were no "unusual signs at all" in North Korea's power structure.

The official noted that while portraits of Kim Jong Il have been taken down, North Korean television is still showing scenes of public places in which portraits of the leader are hanging. He also noted that North Korean media had retained some of Kim's titles, an indication that he likely remained in power.

---


71 posted on 11/17/2004 8:41:40 PM PST by Snapple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AmericanInTokyo

http://www.wpherald.com/Asia_Pacific/storyview.php?StoryID=20041117-103432-5535r

Analysis: Cult worship waning in N.Korea?
By Jong-Heon Lee
UPI Correspondent
Published November 17, 2004


SEOUL -- The key to the puzzle of North Korea's survival largely lies with one man, Kim Jong Il, the secretive leader of the world's only Stalinist state.

Is he in firm charge of the military? Is he healthy enough to run the country? Are the people loyal to him? Does North Korea have political opponents or dissidents?

There have been rumored that Kim was overwhelmed by the country's 1.1-million-strong army and struggled with them for supreme power. His disappearance from public view, led to speculation about the 62-year-old leader's heath; Kim reportedly suffers from diabetes, heart illness and a liver ailment.

Anti-Kim leaflets are increasing, indicating a crack in the North's watertight system and weakening loyalty, say intelligence sources and defectors. Speculation about the fate of the "Dear Leader" is growing again this week after news reports that some of his portraits were removed from public buildings in North Korea.

If true, analysts say, it indicates the country is undergoing "tremendous" political change. The portraits are part of the cult worship that has helped North Korea survive the global collapse of communism and political and economic turmoil.

Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency reported Tuesday that Kim's portraits were taken down from public places where they hung next to his father and national founder, Kim Il Sung. It quoted an unidentified foreign diplomat as saying guests invited to official receptions in Pyongyang only saw portraits of the senior Kim, who died 10 years ago.

"Only a light rectangular spot on the yellow whitewashed wall and a nail have remained in the place where the second (Kim Jong Il's) portrait used to be," the diplomat was quoted as saying.

Other international news outlet also quoted diplomats based in Pyongyang as saying Kim's portrait had disappeared from many public, saying they had been gone since late August or early September.

Many places in North Korea are off-limits to foreigners, but it is certain Kim's portrait has been removed from the Grand People's Cultural Palace, a main official building in central Pyongyang.

An ethnic Korean businessman overseas who traveled to Pyongyang last month also said he heard similar stories, a South Korean government official said.

"We are not yet able to confirm the reports," the official told the United Press International. "But there are no notable signs that Kim is in poor health, or other problems in his status."

The North's sate-run Korean Central News Agency reported Wednesday Kim made an "on-spot" guidance tour of an army unit, but it did not say when the leader visited the People Army Unit No. 754.

David Zweig, a North Korea specialist at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, told journalists the move could be an attempt to do away with the cult of personality that surrounds Kim, or it could be a sign of opposition. Security checks of vehicles and passengers have recently been strengthened, Chinese diplomatic sources said.

Officials and analysts in Seoul, however, rule out a major power struggle in North Korea. They said the portraits may be replaced with new ones or North Korea would tone the cult of personality.

"There would be any perceived signs in the military if there are any moves against Kim's rule," said Ryu Ho-yol, a North Korea specialist at Korea University. "If the removal of Kim's portraits is true, it is very, very important sign in North Korea's political system because the his portrait is a symbol of cult worship for him."

South Koreans were surprised in August last year when they saw the North's cheer squad for an international sports event in the South cry when a banner bearing the image of Kim Jong Il was neglected. Hundreds of cheerleaders hopped out from their buses and retrieved from the roadside the banner that bore the image of Kim and former South Korean President Kim Dae-jung shaking hands during their summit in 2000.

"How can the banners of general (Kim Jong Il) be placed in a place like this?" they asked.

When an explosion killed hundreds of North Koreans in a border city with China in April, Pyongyang's official media praised the "heroic deaths" of people who rushed into collapsing or burning buildings to save Kim's "treasured" portraits.

Portraits of Kim and his father are mandatory fixtures in every home, office, public buildings and factory in the country. All adults are required to wear lapel pins bearing images of one or both Kims. Kim is revered as a demigod in North Korea, and any affront, even spilling water on a newspaper photograph of the leader, is punished, North Korean defectors say.

Han Tae-joon, a professor at Chung-Ang University in Seoul, said Kim would not give up the practice because it has kept his troubled regime afloat.

"North Korea is a country of cult worship. Its leaders have long built a personality cult as a key strategy to boost their ruling," he said. "The cult worship for public loyalty critical both in defusing internal opposition and in either deterring foreign enemies of the reclusive country."



72 posted on 11/17/2004 8:45:38 PM PST by Snapple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: headsonpikes

You write that he is dead. Is this a surmise on your part or do you know something?


73 posted on 11/17/2004 8:46:28 PM PST by Snapple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: AmericanInTokyo
  

Perhaps he's just busy on that Kid N Play Reunion Tour.

74 posted on 11/17/2004 9:47:44 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.HillaryWatch.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYC GOP Chick; All

OMG I busting out on that capiton LOLOLOLOL!!!!

That is funny

FR rockssss


75 posted on 11/17/2004 9:57:43 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: SevenofNine; lavrenti

I've been waiting a long time to use that.


76 posted on 11/17/2004 9:59:02 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.HillaryWatch.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: NYC GOP Chick; All

OH MAN that still funny

I have recheck out that capiton photo you know what I saw Team America Little Kim can be one of those Gangstra rapper LOL!

He carry Desert eagle gun in the movie YEAH you got that take right LOL!


77 posted on 11/17/2004 10:01:32 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: SevenofNine

I haven't seen that movie yet, but that high hair of his always reminded me of Kid N Play.


78 posted on 11/17/2004 10:02:51 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (www.HillaryWatch.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Snapple
Is this a surmise on your part...?

And a wild one, at that. ;^)

79 posted on 11/18/2004 6:18:35 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: Snapple

Regarding the "yakuza" and these DPRK kidnappings, they could have a hand in it, yes. One way is for them to work through the Japanese ethnic Korean nightclub establishment underground and get women to serve as 'hostesses', Japanese language instructors, or spy trainers, up in North Korea. More often than not, these were crack commando teams on Kim Jong-il's direct orders, sent in to Japan at night on small rafts, which then combed beaches on the Japanese west coast, looking for Lovers Lane type couples, then kidnapping either both, or knocking the men out and grabbing the women, spiriting them off to the mother ship, which would then dead head at high speed to Wonsan port.


80 posted on 11/18/2004 7:25:52 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson