**ANTI-KIM JONG-IL FLYERS STARTING TO APPEAR AROUND N.KOREA: SECRET POLICE CRACKING DOWN**

Sankei Shimbun in Japanese (Tokyo) ^ | 18 November 2004 | AmericanInTokyo

[AmericanInTokyo]

Report from Sankei (Japanese) newspaper (conservative) coming in today (per link).

Said that a number of hand made circulars have been circulating widely around North Korea (Pyongyang, Nampo, Chonjin, Sinuiju), etc. The flyers are by an underground anti-Kim Jong-il group active in North Korea.

Sankei says they support the defector Hwang Jang Yop, who is now in South Korea.

There are several flyers which counter the common DPRK Party myths and deifications about Kim Jong-il, showing Kim as a spoiled aristocrat rather that a man of the people, with the Russian nickname "Yura" who did not even grow up nor was born in North Korea. Driving wedges between Kim and the starving people, commenting on the rich food he eats while people starve. Saying the "Chuche" Ideology of the North is a big farce which merely enslaves the Korean people. Another underground flyer (again hand written and many copies run off) that is making the rounds in North Korea says "Kim Jong-il killed his father Kim il-Sung".

Sankei reports the North Korean Secret Police is mobilizing in an attempt to find out who is doing this. They have re-instituted/re-fortified a civilian registration system in Pyongyang to track citizens with an eye toward cracking down on this type of subversion. The flyers also contain detailed personal information on Kim Jong-il that only those in select positions would know. Accordingly, north Korean defectors theorize that these flyers are gaining some cooperation from some people in positions of power in the NK military or Party (anti-Kim elements emerging?).

Copies of these flyers have been spotted (or made it out to) China and picked up by sources there.

(Developing)

[Petronski]

Ahh, if memory serves, that is the gun that was only good for getting another gun.

[cardinal4]

Hasn't Korea historically been dominated by China anyway?

They were mostly in the Soviet sphere of influence..

[ml1954]

They were mostly in the Soviet sphere of influence..

I know what your saying but I'm talking about over the last 2000 years. I worked for a Korean for over 2 yrs and he filled me in. They think in much broader historical time frames.

[Thud]

Not a military takeover. Some North Korean puppet backed up by the fraternal assistance of several hundred thousand humanitarian aid volunteers all of whom speak Chinese.

When the final collapse comes, and IMO that is about six months away, one of the things which will happen with the ROK's expansion to the Yalu will be:

American counter-proliferation teams will secure North Korea's WMD programs, notably nuclear, including all their paperwork and personnel. Which will reveal the extent of Chinese support for that, PLUS major, major Chinese technical assistance to the nuclear weapons and missile programs of Pakistan, Libya, and IRAN. IMO this would put China squarely in America's target sights, especially if we're nuked by anyone. At the very least it will be goodbye to Chinese exports to the U.S. market.

And letting even a Communist monarchy cease to exist due its own incompetence, and be replaced by a democracy, would set a most undesirable precedent.

IMO China's ruling group will do anything to avoid threats to their own rule from events in North Korea, which would include the consequences of evidence of their fomenting nuclear terrorism (American consumer boycott if not trade sanctions, etc.). And it is also a question of them being paranoid control freaks - they'd much rather have the ability to influence events than be forced to merely endure them.

So I think the Chinese will take over North Korea rather than let it collapse. And they are running out of time.

[ml1954]

Not a military takeover. Some North Korean puppet backed up by the fraternal assistance of several hundred thousand humanitarian aid volunteers all of whom speak Chinese.

= Chinese backed coup (feasible).

American counter-proliferation teams will secure North Korea's WMD programs, notably nuclear, including all their paperwork and personnel.

This is where you lose me. Why would a Chinese controlled North Korea let American counter-proliferation teams into North Korea?

[Thud]

If China does not take over North Korea before the latter collapses, which IMO is about six months out, Korea will be reunified by the ROK, if only because so many million Norks will go south. And American forces will secure the Norks' WMD equipment & personnel as part of the reunification.

The only way for the Chinese to keep our counter-proliferation teams out of North Korea will be for China to take over North Korea before it collapses. I figured this out two months ago and have been looking for evidence of Chinese intervention.

Which is why it is so significant that AmericanInTokyo and TigerLikesRooster agree with me that these pamphlets were printed in China.

[BIGLOOK]

Sound like a psy-ops to me. We may see the unification of the Koreas in our lifetimes. I doubt Kim Jong-Il will.

[BIGLOOK]

A Manchurian Expansion??? Can the Chicoms afford something like that?

[ml1954]

Sounds like it's a matter of when it will happen in the near term, not whether. So China and South Korea will be competing over the carcass. Regrettably, I put my money on China.