CHINA WATCHES, WAITS: MASSIVE MILITARY BUILD-UP, MAJOR ESPIONAGE EFFORT

INA Today ^ | November 17, 2004 | By Toby Westerman

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Well, "free traders," whether it occurs now or ten years from now one day you are going to have to choose sides.

Whose side will you choose?

[TapTheSource]

"So what if China invades Taiwan."

I suggest you also read post #1 on the Eurasian Axis. The US becomes ever more isolated and surrounded with each new country the Eurasian Axis brings over to their side and/or conquer.

[KoRn]

That's true. Hopefully if our CIA is worth anything they can see it coming, and we can be prepared to take action. Asia is a powder keg getting ready to blow, and we need to stabilize the middle east as fast as possible so we can be ready to face it.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Well worth reading this thread.

China and Russia.

[TapTheSource]

"Does anyone remember China being mentioned once in the 2004 debates or AT ALL during the campaigns?"

Neither side like to bring up Red China, Russia, or the increasingly ominous Eurasian Alliance. It looks like it is going to be up to rank-in-file conservatives to do the heavy lifting on this extremely important issue.

[viaveritasvita]

Send to Capt D.

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[TapTheSource]

"I'd rather destroy China than let them invade taiwan."

Amen! I would only add that I would like to see the Chinese COMMUNISTS destroyed regardless.

[TapTheSource]

"We should start demanding from companies to do less business with China and more with other countries. Put more jobs in Mexico."

Remember the slogan during the Reagan revolution: "No Aid or Trade with Communist Countries!!!"

[familyop]

Oh, boy, here we go again, now with corporates (especially some on our left coast) in China. I'll just call you "TTS, the can o' worms opener." LOL!

Bill G., please get all of your goodies out of China, and put them in India. That is, unless you want BSD and Linux consultants to take all of the India business,...

Microsoft's Bill Gates to meet with Jacques Chirac, sign Dassault deal Wednesday
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1281425/posts?page=1
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041116/bs_afp/france_us_it_software_041116203803

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation gave $8.8 million to the Planned Parenthood Federation.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/women/12/11/health.women.gates.reut/

"Microsoft offers source code to China"
http://itmatters.com.ph/news/news_03032003a.html
(removed from major news sites)

Gates: Buy stamps to send e-mail
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/03/05/spam.charge.ap/

Bill Gates against repealing the inheritance tax
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_inheritance.html

"Soros, one of the wealthiest men in the world, promised $15.5
million to defeating President Bush. Also on this list are
Bill Gates,..."
http://www.americasvoices.org/archives2003/CoxJ/CoxJ_112403.htm
(most excellent link so far)

The Left-Wing Billionaire Collectivist Pigs
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/25/191020.shtml
(pretty good)

Billionaire Collectivist Pigs on a Roll
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/171315.shtml

"Gun-Control Group Changes Name, Keeps Agenda"
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5C%5CNation%5C%5Carchive%5C%5C200106%5C%5CNAT20010615a.html
(and Bill is a contributor)

"Is Bill Gates a closet liberal?"
http://archive.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/01/cov_29feature.html
(Bill Gates for gun control, pro-abortion, etc.)

http://vikingphoenix.com/news/madminute/1997/mm970040.htm
(Gates on gun control)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec97/guns_11-4.html
(more money for gun control from Gates and his father)

"Bill Gates Is No Free Market Hero"
http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2000/12/000046.html

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/datelinedc/s_176864.html
(ah, somewhat good)

Windows XP Shows the Direction Microsoft is Going
http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm

"the changing politics of Bill Gates" (national review, john j. miller)
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1282/2_51/53662235/p1/article.jhtml

2002 Feb 2, In NYC protesters of the World Economic Forum turned
out in large numbers. Inside foreign economic leaders criticized
the US for protectionist policies, and Bill Gates and U2 rock star
Bono pushed for increases in foreign aid by rich countries to poor
countries."
http://timelines.ws/days/02_02.HTML

"Software, soft money, and Libertarians"
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0039/news-anderson.shtml
[Bill gives money to both sides--whoever supports Microsoft and extreme social left policies.
...includes Barney Frank.]

Client testimonials, Bill Gates in China, Bill Clinton in China
http://www.beijinghighlights.com/testimonials/testimonials.htm

"State-owned Software Firm Ties up with Microsoft China"
http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200107/07/eng20010707_74398.html

[1john2 3and4]

....one million chinese soldiers have parachuted into Taiwan?

I'll see your million....

and raise you 10 million more!

All the Chicoms gotta do is surrender that number!
Then sit back and wait....

[TapTheSource]

"Dear Taiwan, Hope you guys like Chinese food. Sincerely, Uncle Sam."

Unfortunate, but very possibly true. I will pray that our leaders find the courage to stand up to and expose this growing alliance for what it is.

[spetznaz]

I'd rather destroy China than let them invade taiwan.

We will never go into open war to defend Taiwan from China. The reason? Taiwan is just not 'important' enough to warrant sending thousands of US troops to fight a war with China that would have economical ramifications reverberating around the world! And if you look at the actions of both the Clinton and Bush administrations you will notice that is one thing they both agree 100% on.

China has carte blanche to do nigh anything they want (not anything, but nigh anything), and when they go after Taiwan the most Taipei should expect from the US is satellite reconnaisance but nothing more.

It will be up to Taiwan to protect itself (unless Taipei can pull of an economic miracle and become an economic lodestone like China is .....apparently. Unless Taiwan can do that then any confrontation with Beijing will not be receiving any tangible support for Uncle Sam).

And people expect the US will rush in and fend off the Chinese in a valiant bid to protect freedom and democracy in Taiwan. Noble ideal, but not to the politicians and corporations that profit in a myriad of ways from China.

Taiwan better have viable stratagems that viably tackle the possibility of Taiwan being solo when China decides to cross the strait. Because the US will only offer basic help, and the nations in Taiwans periphery (ranging from Singapore to Japan to even Australia) will just sit on their hands. The best chances for taiwan would be Japan (it has probably the second best navy in the world after the US, and it is also a target in China's eyes) but ol' nippon will probably sit this one out (after all why should it risk itself for Taiwan? That may sound selfish, but look at it from Japan's perspective. They would probably just spend the time buffing up their own capabilities rather than spending them on the defense of Taiwan). India is a potent anti-China nation that would have an impact, but India's geo-political influence is too far from Taiwan (and like Japan they probably wouldn't do a thing even if they were closer).

[pissant]

nick,
I agree that Tawain & China should "work out their differnces" diplomatically. That would be the best solution. However, if China decides it can't wait for that and invades, I'm all for destroying every one of their ships, planes, silos, and military bases.

[tacticalogic]

I agree, but are we prepared to go to war if let's say we wake up tomorrow and learn that one million chinese soldiers have parachuted into Taiwan?

Are you sure you want that question answered?

[GOP_1900AD]

RE: China's ability to compromise nearly every citizen of Taiwan, including the highest ranking military and governmental personnel, raises alarming questions concerning Beijing's espionage capabilities directed against other opponents, including the United States.

Anyone with the slightist doubt about this needs to know the following. Ever since the "thaw" in the 1980s, which allowed US business to, initially, start up operations in the PRC, and ultimately, hire H1Bs and L1As who are PRC nationals, PRC nationals have increasingly been allowed to access the critical data and documantation systems at US based corporations. Also, let us not forget that many public sector databases are managed by private firms. What this means, is that PRC nationals have, and have had for quite a long time, access to extremely senstive private info on a large number of people in the US. Now, I must ask, how easy or difficult would it have been to embed operatives amongst all those H1Bs and L1As?

[Joe Hadenuf]

"A lot of American companies are risking a lot of capital by investing in China."

You've got that right! It's only a matter of time before they confiscate and nationalize them (as Stalin did when he wrapped up Lenin's NEP deception).

Only a matter of time.

[DoctorMichael]

"......So what if China invades Taiwan.........."

Acquiescence to the Fascist Chinese breeds further contempt and aggression by the Fascist Chinese.

We unfortunately learned a somewhat similar lesson after the Klintoon/Les Aspin debacle in Somalia in 1992.

[Uncle Vlad]

In a related story, the Bill Clinton Presidential Library had its grand opening in Little Rock, Arkansas...

[GOP_1900AD]

Let me ask you a question as well. What if, in 1940, when Hitler attacked the UK, the US were to have just turned our heads and said it is a local affair between European peoples but differences politically.

I mean so what? AS opposed if we were to fight the Nazis on the UK's behalf.

Idiot

[pissant]

I think you misunderestimate President Bush. He said he would defend Tawain and I believe him. Perhaps its one good reason for Mr. Powell's departure.