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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
You'd need 6 Rinos to deprive the Republicans of the 50 votes necessary to suspend the filibuster. The upshot is that the Republicans won't be able to suspend the filibuster right away. But if the Dems get too obstructionist, then the leadership will be able to get its 50 votes. I think the Dems will back off before that point.

"Red Nation" is rising, but damn, that almost sounds like something Gus Hall might have applauded.

20 posted on 11/17/2004 9:35:59 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead

Actually, the title was a takeoff on Tom Clancy's novel. I'm surprised nobody picked up on that. Guess it's been too long since the Soviet Union had that enormous Red Army.


22 posted on 11/17/2004 10:13:18 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (31 Red States - All Your Senate Are Belong To Us!!)
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To: XJarhead
Not clear what you mean. You need 60--not--50 to kill the filibuster.

My point was that there are a significant number of liberals that are Republican in the Senate. It would be impossible to kill the filibuster, unless they "go nuclear" with Dick Cheney as describled below: (see full article why Cheney is important as President of the Senate)

Excerpt:

Their approach calls for employing a rarely used parliamentary tactic to overturn current Senate procedures.

Under the strategy envisioned by Senate Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), among others, the Republicans would strip any Senate minority — currently the Democrats — of their ability to filibuster presidential nominees.

Approval by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (Tenn.), which is being sought, would all but assure that the plan would go forward.

Under the most likely scenario now under discussion, they would secure a ruling from the chair that Senate Rule XXII does not apply to executive submissions to the Senate — and that includes judicial nominees. Rule XXII provides for unlimited debate on all legislative issues that reach the floor unless three-fifths of the Senate calls a halt.

With such an approach, a favorable ruling from the chair on limiting the scope of Rule XXII could stand after only a simple majority approved it.

End excerpt.

Here is URL to full article:

Hatch group may go ‘nuclear’ on judges Plan would limit use of Rule XXII in Dem filibusters

27 posted on 11/17/2004 4:02:10 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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