getting my Senior Picture in...
Posted on 11/16/2004 11:07:11 AM PST by crushelits
The school could only do this ethically if no student is allowed to pose with anything in their picture.
Rights can be ceded.
Incorrect. They need not be asserted to exist.
Rights have been ceded.
Incorrect, some groups of people have tried to cede the rights of others, but it cannot be done. They exist even if violated.
The constitutional powers of the government are powers (ie:rights) that the people ceded.
Incorrect, powers and rights are totally different things. People ceded powers, not rights.
getting my Senior Picture in...
Yes we are.
We are talking about his school yearbook.
Incorrect. We are talking about the yearbook of his high school, two different things. If he wants to publish his own yearbook he can put whatever pictures he wants in there.
The same school that his parents pay taxes to support.
Yes his parents have their money confiscated (at gunpoint if necessary) and the money is used to educate other's children, and theirs too if they choose to join the plunder.
The "school" decided to publish a yearbook.
Ya don't say....
The school decided made the decision to allow the students to have their own photographs submitted.
Ya don't say.....
Then the school decided to discriminate against one student for questionable content namely posing with a firearm.
Yep, and that is within their purview. Just like they discriminate against nude pictures of students.
You may not like what they discriminate against, but it is within their legitimate power to do so. You don't like it, elect a different school board. Or take your children out of these hell holes like a real parent would do.
"rights can be ceded"... only in Eurotrash style democracies...the point as it were, of America, is that it is the first and still only country where rights are acknowledged as granted by the creator. American government was founded to defend such God-given rights of the individual. It is a human construct, and may do this at times better than others.
Actually, it's not possible to cede them anywhere. It is possible to refrain from asserting them however. But it's not the same thing.
Most rights are violated continually, and have been for all time.
Also, people who don't even know they have rights, still have them.
BTW, nice web tracker. Now you know my ISP, OP & IE version, at work and home. :)
He isn't going to be using it after suing either. Thank goodness.
What a handsome and clean cut young man. Let him pose with his gun.
Huh?
Incorrect. Powers and rights are two different things, no matter how many times you attempt to blur the difference.
And "the more perfect union" refers to replacing the Articles of Confederation" with the constitution. You need some remedial schooling.
Correct. And the school administrators are allowed to discriminate in this way.
(nudity would break the law by the way...it's a straw man argument that has no bearing on this case)
You are clueless to what a straw man argument is. Again, remedial schooling.
And if you don't like the nudity ANALOGY, try one with two boys deep kissing each other, which is not against the law.
I would like to read the charter of the school board but I'm fairly sure that the were never given the explicit purview of determining the content of the school yearbook.
You are inhaling if you think that responsibility needs to be explicit. It is implicit.
Either we have all rights not explicitly ceded as governmental powers or we do not.
Again, rights are not powers, the words are not interchangeable. And rights are not cedable.
But we do have unenumerated rights, but they don't include everything you imagine them to be. Your contention affirms the welfare state, BTW.
It would seem like some people like to argue both sides of every issue being more concerned with winning an argument then being correct.
The fact is, you are incorrect, and pitifully so.
That info is available with most hit counters. Some will send you an email every day, week, month, whatever, with the details of who looked at your page. Or you can go to the counter site and login for the info. It's no big deal. The little "sign" thingy just just there as a novelty.
In this case it is a government entity that is providing censorship. IMO, this is exactly what free speech rights are all about.
FWIW, my high school yearbook has photos of the trap and skeet team in action.
Censorship can be a good thing in some cases. For instance I censored the content my children were allowed to see when they were growing up. Jim Robinson censors this site.
The idea that students have the right to determine content in a high school yearbook is goofy. They don't make the school rules either.
IMO, this is exactly what free speech rights are all about.
I'm glad you called it an opinion. I disagree. You have no free speech rights in my newspaper, on my website, on my TV station, on my radio station.
You have the right to free speech, not the power to force others to publish it, or even have others listen to it.
FWIW, my high school yearbook has photos of the trap and skeet team in action.
Good for you. I'm glad that the people in charge there allowed you to have the types of photos you wanted in the year book. And it makes sense since the activity shown was a high school activity. That's why they showed it I'm guessing.
I'm also guessing you would feel differently and be screaming bloody murder if some student was able to use the courts to allow him to french kiss another boy in a photo for the "gay" club or some other such nonsense in your year book.
Real conservatives don't advocate this kind of nonsensical law suits when it suits their agenda but go ballistic when the other side does it.
Either the people who are hired to run the schools run them or the kids do. The ultimate power to decide rests with the parents and voters. Parents can take their children out of these liberal hell holes like responsible parents do and voters can elect a school board that runs the schools as they want them to.
Two points:
First the yearbook isn't "Yours". It isn't private property as is this website, or your newsletter or talkshow would be.
If the Liberals can enforce 'separation of church and state' (I know that doesn't really exist) because the shool is government funded, then they need to also recognize freedom of speech. (And if flag burning and a cross in urine is protected 'expression', then so is a photo of oneself in a sporting pose.)
This government sponsored censorship is based SOLELY on this person's expression of protected 2A rights which actually seems to make this arbtrary and capricious. Cats and horses are not protected rights but arms are.
The Liberals us the courts to pervert the law. This young man is using the courts to uphold the law. Big difference.
The Liberals set the stage for things like this. Now they need to learn that the sword cuts both ways.
IMO you are simply out of phase on this. The school was wrong, refused to correct itself and the young man chose not to abide by improper use of authority (tyranny).
Right, and I never said it was. I was talking about censorship in general and I thought I made that clear. Sorry if I didn't.
The year book is also not "HIS" or any other student, or parents. And it doesn't belong to "everyone" like in communism either.
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