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US investigates Falluja killing
BBC World News ^ | 15 Nov 2004 | BBC News

Posted on 11/15/2004 4:49:43 PM PST by Cornpone

The US military is looking into whether an American marine in Falluja shot dead a severely wounded Iraqi insurgent at point-blank range. Television footage shows US soldiers entering a building as injured prisoners lie on the floor.

The soldier, from the 3rd battalion of the US marines, has been removed from the field and faces possible charges.

The images were taken by an NBC reporter embedded with the US troops in the Sunni city under assault.

The BBC's James Robbins says the incident could prove highly damaging and that the US military will need to answer key questions about whether the rules of engagement were broken during the incident.

It must explain, he says, whether wounded combatants were abandoned, or killed, illegally.

Mosque stormed

US marines have been battling with sporadic but fierce pockets of resistance inside the city. They say they have already killed 1,200 insurgents.

The images show a group of marines, armed with rifles, entering a building near a mosque.

The mosque had been used by insurgents to attack US forces, who had stormed it, killing 10 militants and wounding five.

At least three severely wounded men are seen in a room inside the building - two are slumped against one of the walls, partially covered with a blanket.

The NBC's Kevin Sites says the wounded men had been left in the mosque after marines had fought their way in on Friday and Saturday.

According to Mr Sites, one of the soldiers points his rifle at the head of one of the injured, an old man. The sound of a shot is then heard.

There was no immediate comment from the Pentagon on the report.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: junknews; propaganda
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To: Cornpone
The BBC, NBC, etc. are going to play this by the scripts that were developed by the Soviets during the Vietnam War. (The scripts that Kerry was such a part of). It's a calculated and coordinate effort to defeat the United States by constant hyped-up criticism of our efforts. In fact, because of Bush's re-election, expect the left to really increase their efforts to defeat the United States.

The MSM and academia in this country are nothing short of treasonous. Bush needs to deal with the media as traitors and saboteurs.
61 posted on 11/15/2004 5:12:18 PM PST by atomicweeder
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To: Cornpone

Since this happened in a battle zone, I am going to assume that the Marine in question was following the appropriate rules until I hear differently from the Pentagon. If the Marine is not fit to wear the uniform, he will be court marshaled. If there is another explanation, it will be forthcoming without using biased words(old, wounded,heard). The BBC can kiss my old sneakers. The embedded reporter did exactly what he was supposed to do; he witnessed a possible execution and reported it to the Unit Commander and to his newsroom.


62 posted on 11/15/2004 5:13:03 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: PISANO

Bill O'Reilly is a POS!


63 posted on 11/15/2004 5:13:50 PM PST by demlosers
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To: JOE43270
"This MARINE is my BROTHER and this AIRMAN will stand by him. He was already wounded and was still in combat. If he gets a Court Martial put me beside him and Court Martial me too."

God bless you and your brother, and thanks for your service to our country. One thing for sure, your brother will have millions of supporters, no matter what the communist media try to make of this. Your brother's a hero in my book.

64 posted on 11/15/2004 5:14:09 PM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: PISANO

F--- O'Reilly. He's as bad as the rest of them.


65 posted on 11/15/2004 5:14:32 PM PST by WhosJohnGalt
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To: M Kehoe
At this time NBC has as much creditability, as the stump in my back yard. Yet this will item will get worldwide play. There will be nothing about the tortured, beheaded woman's body that was found earlier lying in the street.

The national networks must get their act together or be taken off the air. After all, they are using our electromagnetic spectrum.

66 posted on 11/15/2004 5:14:42 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Common sense has to prevail sometime.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Traitor NBC photographer email address:

kevin@kevinsites.net


67 posted on 11/15/2004 5:15:19 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Trteamer

***The terrorist didn't surrender, he played dead. Might have had a grenade, I see it as self defense.***

Darn straight!

(And I'm a woman and I still say that.)


68 posted on 11/15/2004 5:15:29 PM PST by kitkat
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To: Cornpone

They were warned IN ADVANCE to leave or face the consequences. He faced the consequences. How much of this took place during WWI & WW2, Korean Conflict (War), Vietnam? It could be that this was a mercy killing, the soldier seeing that this enemy soldier was in extreme pain and appeared to be beyond recovery. A single still picture does not paint the full picture. In fact, it can be used to fulminate hatred toward a designated group by people who have an agenda. Was their captions or explanations by the photographer as to what he saw, and did he take the picture after the fact or did he observe the entire scene? There is great number of possibilities in one photo that a very detailed explanation should follow. Otherwise,the photograper can make it into anything he wants it become.

Were there other military personnel present who saw this entire incident? Who were they? What were their rank? Was the soldier told to shoot by superiors? Was it done in a fit of rage because of a fallen fellow soldier who was close to him? Or was it through a cold hearted, calculated killing?


69 posted on 11/15/2004 5:17:03 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Cornpone
Sounds like a guy that needed killin'

What's the problem?

70 posted on 11/15/2004 5:17:06 PM PST by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

All he has to say is "I thought he was reaching for a pistol"....case closed.


71 posted on 11/15/2004 5:17:17 PM PST by ErnBatavia (ErnBatavia, Coulter, Malkin, Ingraham....the ultimate Menage a Quatro)
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To: Cornpone

It's easy to say what a soldier should and shouldn't do when sitting in a nice air conditioned office or in the comfort of one's home. War is war and there is no playing nice. It's kill or be killed, just because someone is wounded doesn't mean they don't still have the ability to raise a weapon and fire it. The insurgents aren't playing by any rules, what the hell were they doing in a Mosque (a place that is supposed to be Holy) anyway, because they were banking on the Americans not infiltrating a place that is supposed to be Holy. I'm not saying we should kill just for the sake of killing, but I'm so sick of these bleeding hearts that have no concept of what they are talking about. I dare them to come up with a better plan and I would certainly like to see what they would do in the same situation. The grass is always greener on the other side when you've never stepped foot outside of your condo.


72 posted on 11/15/2004 5:17:26 PM PST by eagle mama (Just like in the 70's sKerry stirred up the nation then fell off of the map.)
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To: Cornpone

So friggen what?

If a bastard plays dead and then wiggles, blast him, not once, but twice.

The sodier in question had earlier been shot in the face, less than a block away a terr perp had played possum with a supposedly deady body and then a bomb went off killing one GI and wounding others.

I would make sure every damned one of them is througly dead, and I mean DEAD.

John F'n sKerry shot a wounded kid in the back, just ran for prez, he got a SS and used it to no end to impress the leftist MSM and the guilible lefties.


73 posted on 11/15/2004 5:17:45 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Trippin

Faking it....Not faking it.....Tie goes to the shooter


74 posted on 11/15/2004 5:18:44 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Endeavor
Your rabid dog analogy stinks.

I call 'em as I see 'em. Reality is a bi*ch sometimes.

I agree with the rest of your post, and what would disturb me also would be...

Marines offing wounded enemy combatants for the sport of it.

Besides the ROE, it is all a matter of intent.

5.56mm

75 posted on 11/15/2004 5:19:48 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
The national networks must get their act together or be taken off the air.

That is happening to the msm slowly but surely looking at each year's income statement.

5.56mm

76 posted on 11/15/2004 5:22:29 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: kitkat
The Marine clearly stated that the corpse was faking it and he was very intense in his statement. The Terrorist moved, got shot by a wounded Marine just after a "dead body" killed a Marine and wounded five. I hope and trust that the Marines will not yield to political or media pressure and will make this a thorough investigation. These warriors deserve the benefit of the doubt. This is not a prison and panty situation, this is door to door combat.
77 posted on 11/15/2004 5:23:45 PM PST by mortal19440
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To: Cornpone
So much crap in this piece:

The US military is looking into whether an American marine in Falluja shot dead a severely wounded Iraqi insurgent at point-blank range. Television footage shows US soldiers entering a building as injured prisoners lie on the floor.

How does the BBC know the extent and severity of the terrorist's injuries? How do they know he was an Iraqi? These terrorists were NOT already classified as prisoners, as the story leads one to believe. And there have been reports of terrorists retaking positions in mosques AFTER the Marines have been through them once.

It must explain, he says, whether wounded combatants were abandoned, or killed, illegally.

Spoken as though this was some kind of "normal" war. No mention of the fact they wear no uniforms, they murder innocents in snuff video, etc. etc. No mention of the fact that a Marine was killed by a terrorist pretending to be dead and then detonating a hand grenade just recently. No mention of the fact that one of the terrorists finally managed to signal "surrender" AFTER the one was shot dead. Why didn't he do it right away?

I'm getting bitter here. I am really starting to hate journalists. Even Fox News Channel referred to the shooting as an "execution!"

78 posted on 11/15/2004 5:23:48 PM PST by PLK
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To: PISANO

To be fair to O'Reilly, I just watched his first segment on the subject and he and his guest were both very insistent that there had recently been instances in very close proximity to this one in which Iraqi "insurgents" faked death or surrender, only to open fire when the US troops drew near. They seemed to frame in a way that was NOT damaging to our guys--quite the opposite, in fact, pointing out that such deceptive actions by the enemy are ILLEGAL under war conventions.


79 posted on 11/15/2004 5:25:35 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Cornpone
"Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don't want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"
80 posted on 11/15/2004 5:27:11 PM PST by Natural Law
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